Sytrus vs Rhino [6 years dead thread bumped; go to page 21]

[DavenH]

I'm curious Gol - did you/IL contract people to make presets for sytrus or has it been completely voluntary thus far?


If someone wants to compile a list of examples of the instruments/fx/sounds that they would like in a bank I'd be pleased to help program them.

[tony tony chopper]

I'm curious Gol - did you/IL contract people to make presets for sytrus or has it been completely voluntary thus far?

both

[jens]

Rhino should be compared to romplers/samplers such as WusikStation or others.

you don't know what you risk by writing things like this in public

nope - if he wants to show everyone what a fool he is... he's just a user who doesn't know what he's talking about, not a guy from a competing company with a tiny ego

[fuego96]

he's just a user who doesn't know what he's talking about

But technically Rhino is a hybrid synth.

So, when strictly shopping for a *pure synth* Rhino isn't supposed to be categorized as such.

Likewise, when strictly shopping for a hybrid synth, Sytrus shouldn't be categorized as such either.

But some would disagree -- and they're welcomed to of course.

[jens]

he's just a user who doesn't know what he's talking about

But technically Rhino is a hybrid synth.

So, when strictly shopping for a *pure synth* Rhino isn't supposed to be categorized as such.

Likewise, when strictly shopping for a hybrid synth, Sytrus shouldn't be categorized as such either.

But some would disagree -- and they're welcomed to of course.

Since V2 Rhino can load multisamples and use it as oscillators - additionally to synthetised oscillators - you can use this additional feature if you want - but you don't have to use it this is something which has Rhino additionally to all those synthesizer-features it has since V1

- it is something Rhino has additionally which Sytrus does not have - it's turning the thruth and the logic upside down to mention it as a contra point for Rhino - it's a pro-point - something you have when you want it/need it but something you must not use at all - a plus not a minus. Sytrus does not have it but Rhino has it.

[Big Tick]

But technically Rhino is a hybrid synth.
So, when strictly shopping for a *pure synth* Rhino isn't supposed to be categorized as such.

Check the following Rhino presets banks:
DX7 recreations vol 1 & 2
Additive Keys

'Tick

[projectdan]

he's just a user who doesn't know what he's talking about

But technically Rhino is a hybrid synth.

So, when strictly shopping for a *pure synth* Rhino isn't supposed to be categorized as such.

Likewise, when strictly shopping for a hybrid synth, Sytrus shouldn't be categorized as such either.

But some would disagree -- and they're welcomed to of course.

Since V2 Rhino can load multisamples and use it as oscillators - additionally to synthetised oscillators - you can use this additional feature if you want - but you don't have to use it this is something which has Rhino additionally to all those synthesizer-features it has since V1

- it is something Rhino has additionally which Sytrus does not have - it's turning the thruth and the logic upside down to mention it as a contra point for Rhino - it's a pro-point - something you have when you want it/need it but something you must not use at all - a plus not a minus. Sytrus does not have it but Rhino has it.

Completely agree with that. Rhino does pure synthesis, so is fully a synthesiser.

I will add that even if a synth was solely sample based, depending on how powerfull the sample manipulation and/or the rest of the synthesis architecture was, I could consider it a full/pure synth (as long as it had sample waveforms provided when you buy it, so was self contained). I would class Rhino (personally) as a full synth even if it had only sample based oscillators.

[jens]

I will add that even if a synth was solely sample based, depending on how powerfull the sample manipulation and/or the rest of the synthesis architecture was, I could consider it a full/pure synth (as long as it had sample waveforms provided when you buy it, so was self contained). I would class Rhino (personally) as a full synth even if it had only sample based oscillators.

yep, with Melohman being a good example for it - go and try to tell the Ohmies that Melohman is a rompler

[fuego96]

Since V2 Rhino can load multisamples and use it as oscillators - additionally to synthetised oscillators - you can use this additional feature if you want - but you don't have to use it

So, when compared against other FM Synths in an FM Synths Comparison Table, this feature doesn't have to be mentioned because users can choose not to use it?

Never said it was a contra point. It's a great point (read "additional feature"). Which makes the comparison between the two a bit strange. They're clearly different in specs and in sound anyway.

Doesn't make any one of those products any less interesting/appealing. Users ultimately are the winners whichever way the discussion goes.

So relax

[ianscott111]

Rhino is first and foremost a synthesizer, not a rompler. If I remember correctly, when it came out, Sytrus was not around, it did not have sample importing, and there really wasn't anything like it at the time. I could be wrong though, as I only bought it in August of last year (version 2).

Rhino and Sytrus do sound different which is why I did not buy Sytrus instead of Rhino. I wanted softer, cleaner, spacy sounds and I felt that Rhino could offer those to me quite easily. Sytrus on the other hand (just judging from the presets) seemed aimed at more dance music. I've got nothing against dance music, however, if I wanted a synth that could make good analog/more agressive sounds, I've already got VAZ Modular, so Sytrus' character did not appeal to me as much as Rhino's did. I'm sure that Sytrus has come a long way since me trying it out, but if I were to buy another synth, it would not be a 6-oscillator FM/additive/etc. synth like Rhino or Sytrus as I've already got something that more than fulfills my needs.

[jens]

Here's once again what sdv wrote:

Sytrus should be compared to z3ta+, Kubik or Albino as these are "synthesis" synths.
Rhino should be compared to romplers/samplers such as WusikStation or others.

this is clearly uninformed bullshit - so I commented it by saying: 'he's just a user who deosn't know what he's talikng about'

You then commented my comment by quoting me:

he's just a user who doesn't know what he's talking about

But technically Rhino is a hybrid synth.

The way you've been quoting me implies that you think
sdv is right. Or not?

I don't know what your definition of 'hybrid-synth' is and to be completely honest with you I don't give much arse-produce about it.

However one fact remains:
What sdv wrote is false male cow arse-produce...
- and it stinks

[jens]

double post - the kvr server stinks even more

[jens]

Rhino is first and foremost a synthesizer, not a rompler. If I remember correctly, when it came out, Sytrus was not around, it did not have sample importing, and there really wasn't anything like it at the time. I could be wrong though, as I only bought it in August of last year (version 2).

no, you've got it completely right!

[fuego96]

Have it your way.
And happy new year

[tony tony chopper]

You could also not listen to that jens crybaby, and make your own investigation instead. You'll then discover than Rhino 1 had a built-in sample bank (=synthesizer + rompler [rom as in read only memory]), while Rhino 2 supports external samples (=synthesizer + sampler [rampler]).
(let's see if jens proves otherwise, or is gonna whine again).

Once again, Rhino is a synthesizer AND a sampler. If you're looking for a hybrid sampler/synthesizer, Rhino is for you. If you're looking for a synthesizer, then you have to compare the feature set of both, and Sytrus is more featured for synthesis, while not a sampler at all.

And the 'sounds clearer, softer/whatever' applies more to the presets than the synthesizer. If you document yourself a bit, you'll start seeing audio apps a bit less mystically. Just like religion: 'I don't understand, so let's find a divine reason why'.