Sytrus vs Rhino [6 years dead thread bumped; go to page 21]

[envoy]

You could also not listen to that jens crybaby...

Is this the objective voice of a developer? I'd have to think twice before sending my money to someone who can't rise above this kind of dialogue.

envoy

[jens]

You could also not listen to that jens crybaby, and make your own investigation instead. You'll then discover than Rhino 1 had a built-in sample bank (=synthesizer + rompler [rom as in read only memory]

nope it had not - that's simply false - next time get your facts straight before you try to ridicule a competing product

[jens]

You could also not listen to that jens crybaby...

Is this the objective voice of a developer? I'd have to think twice before sending my money to someone who can't rise above this kind of dialogue.

envoy

nope you f**ker - I'm just an annoyed user - I am in no way related to Tick other than being a loyal customer

[kodama]

Actually, I'm working on a real arpeggiating thing built-in envelopes, to be in a future update. It's 100% envelope-based, and gives quite impressive results, better than note/sequence based ones.

More info please! When will this happen?

[gbles]

Cool that you're still working on updates for Sytrus.

Gol, if we had any small feature ideas would you rather we posted them in Looptalk? Just that I have one small nag....hovering over some few controls shows a current value....but on many others it doesn't.

[envoy]

nope you f**ker - I'm just an annoyed user - I am in no way related to Tick other than being a loyal customer

Uh, Jens, calm down: I was speaking about tony tony chopper, not you.

envoy

[tony tony chopper]

Is this the objective voice of a developer?

It's my subjective voice, advising you to make your own objective investigation, and not to take any word in this thread for granted.

You have to realize that jens is trying (by shouting & swearing all over the place) to make this thread look like a fight, while it's not. Someone asks what are the differences between both, and I give my point of view - waiting for the other developper to give his.

What else did YOU expect? A 'all synthesizer are great and have a place of choice in your studio' won't come from me. Some don't have the money to buy every synthesizer.

[jens]

nope you f**ker - I'm just an annoyed user - I am in no way related to Tick other than being a loyal customer

Uh, Jens, calm down: I was speaking about tony tony chopper, not you.

envoy

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sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry

:oops:

yes, that's Didier somewhat a.k.a. 'Gol' - he's FL and Sytrus developer and co-founder of ImageLine...

[jens]

What else did YOU expect? A 'all synthesizer are great and have a place of choice in your studio' won't come from me. Some don't have the money to buy every synthesizer.

you're such a good boy...

[jens]

You have to realize that jens is trying (by shouting & swearing all over the place) to make this thread look like a fight, while it's not. .

all I'm asking for is that you stop telling lies about a competing product - but quite obviously this out of your ability... - apparently you're a compulsive liar

Rhino 1 had a built-in sample bank

[tony tony chopper]

More info please! When will this happen?

In a future release, it works but not tested enough.

I really wanted an arpeggiator built-in envelopes, because note-based arpeggiators is more a tool for a host than a synthesizer.

There was several solutions to do this (dynamic pitch envelopes, etc), but I chose this one:



Basically, this kind of arp will keep playing the whole chord all the time, and alternate levels (of whatever you want) between the notes held. In the screenshot you can see point markers that say 'same/previous/next note in the arp'. By varying them in different envelopes you can get very dynamic stuff.

Gol, if we had any small feature ideas would you rather we posted them in Looptalk? Just that I have one small nag....hovering over some few controls shows a current value....but on many others it doesn't.

better in looptalk

I rarely show the current value when hovering (for technical reasons), it all depends on the control.

[kodama]

Tony/Gol, do you think there's a chance we could at least get that list as NRPNs so we don't have to do a calcuation every time we want to assign a controller?

Could we get a list from Frederick of the parameters listed as NRPNs instead of or in addition to MSB/LSB?

Then the problem is that there are 600 parameters, and I don't think you'd like to browse a list of 600 entries all the time.

Well that is why many synth makers let you assign your own, because there are too many to hardwire to CC#s. Just click "learn" , then click the parameter and move your controller. I know it's harder to program than that though!

-use the XY mod, of course it's only 2 params, but you can link them to whatever you want

I do use that and it works great, have you thought of adding more XY controllers like some synths do? (Zebra, Tera)

assign your MIDI controls to the published VST parameters, normally a good host should be able to do that (what are you using?)

I use Live, but I did notice that many of the parameters I wanted access to were not published, like filter cut off for one (!)

[envoy]

What else did YOU expect?

I'd expect a business person would be able to answer without name-calling, and that their product would be able to stand on it's own without constant debating in a public arena. If, as you say, the instrument is far more than it's presets, that one really only need read the specs, then they can all be spelled out on your website.

I have a suggestion for velocity-sensitive presets for Sytrus, but I gotta run to work...

envoy

[MickGael]

But still...having to adjust the volume for almost every preset would get tired REALLY fast.

Again, what prevents you to adjust the mixer's level (the one to which your Sytrus is routed)?

Btw you have to realize that it's the user's own fault if some hosts set a very high default gain on everything. 'louder is better' for quite a lot of people, and marketing makes that if people want loud, they get loud (and if you try to educate them about clipping, they just switch to another app that's louder).
So far I managed to keep FL away from that, let's cross fingers.

Sorry for not getting to this sooner...

My mixer settings in Cubase SX2 are set to a level that works fine for every other synth I use.

I've worked as a mastering engineer, so the whole "louder is better" thing drives me to distraction (and is killing audio, IMHO), but you are correct in noting it is a (horrid) trend.

Host volume default levels not withstanding, a tiered global volume is an absolutely fantastic usability feature.

Let's say a VSTi is really hot.

From a usability perspective which is easier: having to adjust multiple faders, or adjust the default volume level one time and save it as a preference?

This is terrific-sounding synth with a very elegant synth and a refined GUI, but usability matters in the less glamorous ways, too.

No usability engineer would ever say "it's the user's fault" when is there is a possible fix that could address the issue.

I remain quite interested, but to be honest I am a bit put off when a developer suggests something is the users problem.

[tony tony chopper]

all I'm asking for is that you stop telling lies about a competing product

To whoever still has Rhino 1, open it, go to an oscillator tab, from the oscillator display, watch the list of oscillators in the menu. You'll find plenty of samples here (I don't quite remember, there should be cymbals, pianos, violins, insect noises, choir voices, etc, I think that a lot of the 2 version were in the 1 already).
Maybe jens naively thinks they were synthesized (and some of the small shapes probably were synthesized), but they were not. Because if Big Tick managed to synthesize all those, he's a god - no one so far managed to.

Again, it's not pejorative. Rhino 2 is also a sampler and it's not a bad thing, if you're looking for a hybrid of both. With this system you can get more impressive, but less tweakable presets.