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snooky · Post by **snooky** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:38 pm

nuffink wrote:
fractalism wrote:I hate that everyone can be an "artist" with the help of computers...making movies and music and artyfartsy shite...we should have some kind of gentic test to determine if an induvidual is gifted enought to engage in art. Only then would that person be allowed to fill the world with his/hers work.

Should eliminate most of the crap that we must wade thru...disgusting"

I agree. Art should only be made by artists like you.
Everyone else should be prevented, by force if necessary.

Strangely I can't seem to find a link to your art.

you don't understand sarcasm too well do you?

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:41 pm

oh the irony.

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:41 pm

fractalism wrote:
nuffink wrote:
fractalism wrote:I hate that everyone can be an "artist" with the help of computers...making movies and music and artyfartsy shite...we should have some kind of gentic test to determine if an induvidual is gifted enought to engage in art. Only then would that person be allowed to fill the world with his/hers work.

Should eliminate most of the crap that we must wade thru...disgusting"

I agree. Art should only be made by artists like you.
Everyone else should be prevented, by force if necessary.

Strangely I can't seem to find a link to your art.
you don't understand sarcasm too well do you?

I tried it earlier in this thread. But it didn't work too well. I thought that since no arguments in this thread was worth taking seriously I could just as well be unserious. But it didn't quite work

People got mad at me, just because their music and arts suck. Not my fault ffs.

Wopelka · Post by **Wopelka** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:47 pm

intel wrote:
Lunatique wrote:HOWEVER, he's actually composing and arranging every single part on his own--not borrowing a loop that someone else made, with everything worked out already.
I hate to get involved in this thread again, but I do need to point out that this statement is false. composers are forever borrowing themes, progressions and cadences from previous composers, contemporaries and (what, back in the day, passed for) popular music. they weren't "loops", but they were pre-written and established pieces of music that a composer could use to round out their compositions. and to get specific with the topic of drum loops, how many times have you heard the same timpani line in classical music? it was committed to paper (or parchment) at some point by someone, but he wasn't the first person to use that drum line in a composition and zombie jesus knows he wasn't the last.

don't deify classical composers because of their status. they, too, were known to borrow from other composers when the need arose. whether they were writing it down in notation or otherwise, the concept is the same.

so true

however, i can't help myself having much more admiration for a classical composer using their art and knowledge to create a "work" than for myself pasting a drum loop in my sequencer to make a "song"...

i can't help myself thinking i've got an easy life.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:06 pm

fractalism wrote:
nuffink wrote:
fractalism wrote:I hate that everyone can be an "artist" with the help of computers...making movies and music and artyfartsy shite...we should have some kind of gentic test to determine if an induvidual is gifted enought to engage in art. Only then would that person be allowed to fill the world with his/hers work.

Should eliminate most of the crap that we must wade thru...disgusting"

I agree. Art should only be made by artists like you.
Everyone else should be prevented, by force if necessary.

Strangely I can't seem to find a link to your art.
you don't understand sarcasm too well do you?

That's what passes for sarcasm 'round your way? Shit man, I'm sorry.

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:08 pm

nuffink wrote:
fractalism wrote:
nuffink wrote:
fractalism wrote:I hate that everyone can be an "artist" with the help of computers...making movies and music and artyfartsy shite...we should have some kind of gentic test to determine if an induvidual is gifted enought to engage in art. Only then would that person be allowed to fill the world with his/hers work.

Should eliminate most of the crap that we must wade thru...disgusting"

I agree. Art should only be made by artists like you.
Everyone else should be prevented, by force if necessary.

Strangely I can't seem to find a link to your art.
you don't understand sarcasm too well do you?

That's what passes for sarcasm 'round your way? Shit man, I'm sorry.

No, you're not. Or did you all of a sudden start caring about this fellow? If that's the case, we're over.

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:37 pm

Main Entry: sar·casm
Pronunciation: 'sär-"ka-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: French or Late Latin; French sarcasme, from Late Latin sarcasmos, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein to tear flesh, bite the lips in rage, sneer, from sark-, sarx flesh; probably akin to Avestan thwar&s- to cut
1 : a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain <tired of continual sarcasms>
2 a : a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual b : the use or language of sarcasm <this is no time to indulge in sarcasm>
synonym see WIT

i·ro·ny ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-n, r-)
n. pl. i·ro·nies

The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.
A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetorical effect. See Synonyms at wit1.

Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs: “Hyde noted the irony of Ireland's copying the nation she most hated” (Richard Kain).
An occurrence, result, or circumstance notable for such incongruity. See Usage Note at ironic.
Dramatic irony.
Socratic irony.

To be sarcastic this part:

An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.

needs to be included.

Chris Berlin · Post by **Chris Berlin** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:18 pm

chris here again.

…
sorry, folks. But …
I … relapsed.

I can´t stop looping. I can´t stop looping. I can´t stop looping. I can´t stop looping. I can´t stop looping. I can´t stop looping. I can´t stop looping. I can´t stop looping. I can´t stop looping. I can´t stop looping. I can´t stop looping. I can´t stop looping. I can´t stop looping. I can´t stop looping. I can´t stop looping. I can´t stop looping. Ahhhhhhhh! Help!

declassified · Post by **declassified** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:26 pm

I ain't reading the whole thread...

But isn't the real problem that so many people use sample libraries instead of sampling by themselves?

DJ Shadow, St.Germain and others sampled even long passages from songs and aren't accused for a lack of creativity.

If some of you criticizise that everyone can make music, it's more because of the use of sample libraries, isn't it?

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:00 pm

So, one wants to make music, but can't. So, one uses loops. How can one learn to make music using loops? One could learn to engineer.

If one studies loops, maybe one could learn to make music.

pHz · Post by **pHz** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:06 pm

androidlove wrote:If one studies loops, maybe one could learn to make music.