FL Studio Pre Bar Count Married To Bar Length! Need Divorce!

[Mr Sleep]

Why does fruity pertain prebar count to the length of the bar length in loop?

For ie, if its 4 beats per bar then it will give me a 4 click pre bar count.
If its 16 beats per bar then I have to wait for 16 bloody clicks before it starts recording!

I have not found any options to fix this, anyone here?

Also, is there any way to cut copy paste a loop rather than tediously inserting the exact midi notes after changing the length of the bar?

Thanking Kindly For Help.

[Hink]

Why does fruity pertain prebar count to the length of the bar length in loop?

For ie, if its 4 beats per bar then it will give me a 4 click pre bar count.
If its 16 beats per bar then I have to wait for 16 bloody clicks before it starts recording!

I have not found any options to fix this, anyone here?

Also, is there any way to cut copy paste a loop rather than tediously inserting the exact midi notes after changing the length of the bar?

Thanking Kindly For Help.

here's a crazy thought how about make a pattern with a sidestick to create any length you want and unclick the countdown. You can even add a pick-up beat between the second to last and last click as a cue...

[ouroboros]

beat me to it!

[Hink]

Also, is there any way to cut copy paste a loop rather than tediously inserting the exact midi notes after changing the length of the bar?

sorry forgot to address this.

If you are using the piano roll you can do it by instrument. Simply open the piano roll and select the instruments using the dropdown at the top of the PR ctrl a, ctrl c, go to where you want to paste and ctrl v. However if you're pasting into a pattern where you already have notes for that instrument in the piano roll and you wish to paste to the end of the pattern you must schroll the window over so the the first bar in the window you see is where you want the paste. Otherwise it will paste the notes on top of other notes in place...hope that helps..

[Hink]

beat me to it!

that just goes back to drum machine days and having to have a countdown pattern. It's just habit I still do it...

[mgc3003.com]

This annoys me as well. To an extreme degree... Yes I know the workarounds, but fruity should REALLY be able to set the number of clicks.

Please post a note about it at the Fruity official forum. It's a small request but it needs it BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD.

It's not something you should HAVE to "work around."

[Hink]

This annoys me as well. To an extreme degree...

maybe you're not seeing the obvious, if it annoys you to an extreme degree I assume you haven't realized that it should annoy you once, take less then 30 secs to solve and never deal with it again...it's called templates...

[Donkey]

This annoys me as well. To an extreme degree...

maybe you're not seeing the obvious, if it annoys you to an extreme degree I assume you haven't realized that it should annoy you once, take less then 30 secs to solve and never deal with it again...it's called templates...

Any feature, anyone can request, have this or that as some workaround. I think the no. of ticks should be same, irrespective of what the sigature is.

[Mr Sleep]

Thanking all with great esteem and respect.

Guys..., I cant beleive a simple feature as prebar count going all loopy with fruity version ((("5")))

So far I've tried Tracktion, Live, Reason as a replacement for Logic, and none of them even have a simple mundane feature as prebar count!

Tracktion is a clear winner with Live coming second for its unfathomable aproach arrangement editing, Reason is solid but no vst support, and fruity has a nice tight sounding step sequencer, but eats a load of cpu.

I cant wait for Tracktion2 and the step time maestro..
I just hope they add a prebar count I hope.

[mgc3003.com]

The attitude that "there's no problem here, just use this annoying workaround that requires extra steps" is exactly the kind of attitude that keeps products from getting badly needed updates.

Is it not obvious to everyone that any workaround for such a simple & basic feature that requires extra steps is just plain annoying?

The whole point of modern software is to be able to move as quickly and effectively as possible without having to deal with unusual methods and extra clicks to have something as basic as a custom count pre-click.

Just imagine your workaround. Having to move that crap around for every bit that you record. Not everyone uses fruityloops in a loop-way. Some people like myself record lots of live parts and I prefer to work it a pattern length of 8 or 16...

Don't be dismissive of people's requests. Please! =) I suspect you don't work with pattern lengths of 8 or 16 regularly or you too would find it annoying.

This issue with FL has been annoying me for a long, long time.
It's things like this - simple workflow things that need to be addressed - if the FL crew want FL to be accepted by the mainstream.

And I assume they do or else they'd just release their product for free. =) And don't get me wrong. I LOVE FruitylOops and it's one of my favorite tools.

[Hink]

Thanking all with great esteem and respect.

Guys..., I cant beleive a simple feature as prebar count going all loopy with fruity version ((("5")))

So far I've tried Tracktion, Live, Reason as a replacement for Logic, and none of them even have a simple mundane feature as prebar count!

Tracktion is a clear winner with Live coming second for its unfathomable aproach arrangement editing, Reason is solid but no vst support, and fruity has a nice tight sounding step sequencer, but eats a load of cpu.

I cant wait for Tracktion2 and the step time maestro..
I just hope they add a prebar count I hope.

First I can't believe that a pre count would be a deal breaker. I use AA everyday, but I have never set the count and not sure if you can. You can with Cakewalk but I never use that at all. It's a tiny thing, I prefer to make my own counts I never use the count down. Personally I think there is a bigger need for features that I can't work around in 5 seconds. All I did was make my first pattern two beats long with a stick on each beat. Then I saved it in my template. Now I start to write a song and add things to the play list I can't paint in a 2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16...ect by painting in pattern number one...pretty simple.

But it's quite clear from your post that you're really not seeing all that FL does. TBH there has been talk of doing away with the step sequencer. Though I will admit that I think more of that talk was from customers such as myself. I don't use the SS at all, it (imo) a waste of screen real estate.

The Piano Roll is where the power of FL comes to life, its much easier to work in the piano roll, you have more features...but don't forget in the upper left corner of the piano roll (playlist and event editor as well) is a dropdown menu that has all kinds of nice treasures. The piano roll is where it's at and anyone using FL for 6 months doubtfully will argue this.

I think you have to spend so more time with the demo. I do understand the importance of count ins as I play guitar. However my old drum machines didn't have counts either...one pattern, 4 beats, done. With FL you can save that as a template and never worry.

Now along the same lines, something I think is far more needed is a preroll and post roll for the loop recording. Also this feature should be implemented with an auto-punch feature. That IMO is far more needed then a count that I can make. If I can't make one I hardly think continuing with song writing would be a worthwhile use of my time.

If you have any questions about FL don't be affraid to ask. PM me if you wish, I have hundreds of screenshots that I am going through and uploading the ones I coomonly need to Spe3d's Audioshot so I can post screenshots here. I also can very quickly make avi files for tutorials to suit your needs.

This thread is a good example of what my goal is. I believe that FL gets a bad rep due to the fact that people have some misconceptions about it. Many of those I'm sure are predetermined by reading negative posts here. But as opposed to the nay sayers, I understand the power of FL and the value of a dollar. When you think about the price, the features, the lifetime updates,ect. The power of the software and the bang for the buck is the best (imo) in computer music for a host.

Take care,

[mgc3003.com]

Thanks for your response. Please accept my humble apology if the tone of my email sounded kind of rude!

Your workaround isn't THAT bad I admit, and I also admit I hadn't thought about it. I'll give it a shot.

And as much BS as Fruity gets I shouldn't have posted that anyway... FL is my favorite host. Yes, the piano roll is fantastic. I wish Sonar's piano roll was so FAST to work in. (Right click note deletion is awesome.)

FL is a damn near flawless product. I just RECENTLY discovered the routing system in the FX mixer. *WOW*. So I can finally have mix effects. Also I can't believe I never noticed it until recently, but the knob on each effect send so you can instantly make it an aux effect and blend more of the original unprocessed sound back in. Fantastic.

I think I can live with your work around. I STILL think you should be able to customize the metronome, but you're right - especially with that work around it's not the end of the world.

And I agree about the step sequencer. It's not my main tool. For me it's when I need something triggered quickly, etc. Or ultra simple patterns layered on top of ones already going, etc.


Anyhow, thanks for your detailed response and your willingness to help.

And I apologize for the bitchiness of my tone. It was uncalled for.

PS> The FX system in Fruity is just amazing... I seriously think I can power up and use more effects in Fruity than I can in Sonar. I find myself layering effects ad infinitum almost in Fruity whereas I am more sparing in Sonar. For some reason. Fruity handles 3rd party plugins better, it feels like. If I get too many going in Sonar I get crashes. But Fruity is pretty damn robust.

[Hink]

And I apologize for the bitchiness of my tone. It was uncalled for.

I really didn't even notice any attitude so there is really no reason to apologize, but I admire that fact you did...

[Mr Sleep]

Hay I wanna apologize too. just in case I dissed n offended any of the true fruity goers, your kind and helpfull suggestions will be looked in to once I get my head back round to learning mode.

No matter how much one learns its not inough.

Lucky I wasnt in to science.

[Donkey]

Hink, Mr Sleep, mgc3003.com and everybody who thinks that this might be a deal breaker, I would like you guys to see it from a little different angel. I totally understand that it would be dumb to ditch something like FL for such a minor thing, but the reality is, when you are already using a particular software and you have to wait for different tick count for different beats, it becomes little annoying. It is more comfortable to start something at the count of 1, 2, 3 or 1, 2, 3, 4 instead of coping with variable count[which depends on your signature setting{just think of it as something lilke for 100 meter race, it's the count of 3 and for 400 meter, it's the count of 4 - and so on}].

Hink, dont see you much on the fruity forums these days!!!

There are somethings that really need to be fixed.