Italian DJ fined 1.4 million euros

[dystonia_ek]

Are U2 parasitic for doing a world tour?

The whole music industry seems like a hierarchy of different types of parasitic entities housed one inside the other like Russian dolls, at least when viewed semi-objectively.

[John Vulich]

I wonder if recording music from the radio and removing the commercials, to listen to it later, is also illegal?

I know that there is a big move by Media Industry Executives to make it illegal to skip through TV and DVD commercials...

From: WAFF.com - Don't Touch That Remote

Go to the movies, you have no choice. Sitting through several minutes of ads, trailers, promos just to get to the film you really paid to see.

The benefit of watching a DVD at home is that you can skip through that prelude. But maybe not, anymore.

A new bill before Congress would make fast forwarding through those ads illegal even at home.

The bill allows technology that lets families edit out explicit scenes or material. But broadcast companies have lobbied hard to keep commercials and movie trailers off limits.

"Their concern is if it becomes easy for people to skip ads, then their whole business model goes down the drain." Gigi Sohn, of consumer advocacy group, Public Knowledge, is fighting the bill and says families have been skipping ads ever since the early days of the VCR.

Senator John McCain agrees and says... "Do we really expect to throw people in jail for behavior they've been engaged in for more than a quarter century?"

Media executives say that's not their goal. The Motion Picture Association says it supports other parts of the act, "Particularly those provisions that will help combat the theft of motion pictures."

But that hasn't stopped the fear among some that one day, when they say, "Don't touch that dial," you may not have a choice.

[2windy]

what kind of security people like me have who buy CDs all the time, convert the one or two good songs to mp3s for DJing purposes, and then sell the CD to a retail store, because i have no use for it since it sucks and i only keep the about 10% of all CDs and records i purchase???

Sounds to me like you need to discover buying MP3s online. Once you sell a CD, you don't have the rights to it anymore. Like if I sold a plugin to somebody, I don't have the right to use it anymore.

Well said, why should you be able to use it once you've had a refund/sold second hand?

I have no sympathy for the DJ in question at all. I use 90% vinyl and I'm looking to convert a lot of the stuff I use regularly onto CD. I would be most hacked off if the local plod interupted my night to ask where I got them from!!

In 15 years of DJing (dance clubs) nobody has ever asked me to provide a playlist or pay royalties. I assume that's included in the annual PRS fee the premises pay. If a label sends me a promo to plug their new track (so as to line their pockets) then requested money because I'd played they'd be told to f**k right off.

[2windy]

Are U2 parasitic for doing a world tour?

The whole music industry seems like a hierarchy of different types of parasitic entities housed one inside the other like Russian dolls, at least when viewed semi-objectively.

Nice post.

[2windy]

I wonder if recording music from the radio and removing the commercials, to listen to it later, is also illegal?

I know that there is a big move by Media Industry Executives to make it illegal to skip through TV and DVD commercials...

From: WAFF.com - Don't Touch That Remote

Go to the movies, you have no choice. Sitting through several minutes of ads, trailers, promos just to get to the film you really paid to see.

The benefit of watching a DVD at home is that you can skip through that prelude. But maybe not, anymore.

A new bill before Congress would make fast forwarding through those ads illegal even at home.

The bill allows technology that lets families edit out explicit scenes or material. But broadcast companies have lobbied hard to keep commercials and movie trailers off limits.

"Their concern is if it becomes easy for people to skip ads, then their whole business model goes down the drain." Gigi Sohn, of consumer advocacy group, Public Knowledge, is fighting the bill and says families have been skipping ads ever since the early days of the VCR.

Senator John McCain agrees and says... "Do we really expect to throw people in jail for behavior they've been engaged in for more than a quarter century?"

Media executives say that's not their goal. The Motion Picture Association says it supports other parts of the act, "Particularly those provisions that will help combat the theft of motion pictures."

But that hasn't stopped the fear among some that one day, when they say, "Don't touch that dial," you may not have a choice.

Yes it is illegal to record of the radio the same as it is technically illegal to tape a film off TV and keep it to watch over and over.

I don't like the idea of having advertising forced on me, at the cinema I can choose to go to the toilet during the commerials.

[munchkin]

what kind of security people like me have who buy CDs all the time, convert the one or two good songs to mp3s for DJing purposes, and then sell the CD to a retail store, because i have no use for it since it sucks and i only keep the about 10% of all CDs and records i purchase???

Sounds to me like you need to discover buying MP3s online. Once you sell a CD, you don't have the rights to it anymore. Like if I sold a plugin to somebody, I don't have the right to use it anymore.

Well said, why should you be able to use it once you've had a refund/sold second hand?

People do this all the time. Every high street has a secondhand record store. If this was illegal then libraries would be closed down as well. You're not going to tell me that millions of people don't copy music everyday and then return it to the library or HMV/Virgin.

The truth is that when a DJ buys a track and then trades it in for a fraction of the price s/he has paid for his/her use of it a number of times over. The track is sold again to someone else so that track is generating money for someone out there and considering a lot of the secondhand record stores are owned by the major labels then that profit goes back to the mothership.

I'd just like to ask where will that 1.5 million euros go? Not into the pockets of musicians that's for sure. All these fines do nothing to stop the copying of music - they just end up lining the pockets of the lawyers and fat cats who have a stranglehold over musicians. The DJ isn't the parasite - it's the music industry. I have no sympathy for record execs who bleat on about piracy while they enslave musicians.

[shamann]

Yes it is illegal to record of the radio the same as it is technically illegal to tape a film off TV and keep it to watch over and over.

No it's not. All those things are fair use. Illegal to sell recordings, also illegal to rebroadcast, but not illegal to record.

[atomic_(no)afro]

I'd just like to ask where will that 1.5 million euros go? Not into the pockets of musicians that's for sure. All these fines do nothing to stop the copying of music - they just end up lining the pockets of the lawyers and fat cats who have a stranglehold over musicians. The DJ isn't the parasite - it's the music industry. I have no sympathy for record execs who bleat on about piracy while they enslave musicians.

Hear hear, I mean everyone is going on about how bad this guy is. Do we even get to hear the DJ's side of the story. After all, maybe, just maybe he actually owns many of those track they allege him to have "stolen". Or perhaps he copied ultra-rare imports, bootlegs, limited pressings, and whitelabels off of a filesharing service only because he could not find a copy in the stores. I'm sorry but to all those folk that cry "poor producer", they obviously haven't stared at a $20 promo pressing in a record store that the elitist f**king scene puts pressure on DJs to buy. If all electronic music was as easy to buy (in unmixed DJ-friendly form) as mainstream pop, then you folks might have a case against the guy. However, the simple fact that MOST of what's hot and underground is limited in pressing is reason enough to ask the guy his side before slapping him with a fine that most likely will go back not to the artists, but to the folks that the "injured artists" are rebelling against. Or do you honestly think they will go to the bother of finding each and every artist on that guy's computer and send a check for each instance of infringement. Instead the money will go to the typical music industry protection rackets who will divvy it out to the most “popular” artists. So in fact, by ruining this guy’s career as well as possibly creating a chill within Italy’s DJing community, the authorities might be HURTING the very same artists that they profess to be protecting. But protecting artists has never been the goal of these f**king hypocrites.

ATA

[2windy]

Yes it is illegal to record of the radio the same as it is technically illegal to tape a film off TV and keep it to watch over and over.

No it's not. All those things are fair use. Illegal to sell recordings, also illegal to rebroadcast, but not illegal to record.

Not necesarily disagreeing here (maybe I didn't know after all?) but would it be legal for me to get a dvd out on rental and tape it for my own presonal use? Or to borrow a friends cd and tape/copy it? Surely that is breach of copyright?

So how does does the radio and tv differ?

[donkey tugger]

Oh..I thought he might have been fined for bringing out some extrememly dodgy piano house 'anthem' featuring some piss poor rapper , under the moniker of something like, 'DJ Fuckio'. Never mind, do carry on.

[2windy]

what kind of security people like me have who buy CDs all the time, convert the one or two good songs to mp3s for DJing purposes, and then sell the CD to a retail store, because i have no use for it since it sucks and i only keep the about 10% of all CDs and records i purchase???

Sounds to me like you need to discover buying MP3s online. Once you sell a CD, you don't have the rights to it anymore. Like if I sold a plugin to somebody, I don't have the right to use it anymore.

Well said, why should you be able to use it once you've had a refund/sold second hand?

People do this all the time. Every high street has a secondhand record store. If this was illegal then libraries would be closed down as well. You're not going to tell me that millions of people don't copy music everyday and then return it to the library or HMV/Virgin.

The truth is that when a DJ buys a track and then trades it in for a fraction of the price s/he has paid for his/her use of it a number of times over. The track is sold again to someone else so that track is generating money for someone out there and considering a lot of the secondhand record stores are owned by the major labels then that profit goes back to the mothership.

I'd just like to ask where will that 1.5 million euros go? Not into the pockets of musicians that's for sure. All these fines do nothing to stop the copying of music - they just end up lining the pockets of the lawyers and fat cats who have a stranglehold over musicians. The DJ isn't the parasite - it's the music industry. I have no sympathy for record execs who bleat on about piracy while they enslave musicians.

Yes it does go on all the time. Library don't generate income from lending books, only from fines.

You can sell/refund your music, fine. Just don't copy it. If you like it that much, keep it.

Using your philosophy, I could buy Vanguard use it for a bit then sell it and transfer the licence but, I know, I'll keep the DLL to play with.

Is that ethical/lega?

[Emerald Tablet]

f**k

News like this is even more a reason for me to share as much as i can and fight back by keeping as many fileshare programs in the air as possible.

Industry taking out on simple souls is no reason for many of the folks on these forums to get angry. It seems like you guys are pro high cd prices to, and many of you feel music belongs to a snobbish elite and not to "everybody"

If cd`s were still as affordable as L.P`s were in the 80`s i would download less and buy more. The files i download are rare recordings from the 20`s 30`s and 40`s .... but you probably want "time life" or "dino" or whatever company to have the "rights" on recordings by people who have been dead by years.

news like this and the reactions from people on these forums make me downright pissed .... where are the rebels now we need them.

[Jbravo]

I think the RIAA and BPI focus their actions on people that actually share lots of files, not those that only download them... so maybe that's why the guy was targeted, who knows...

I think it was Billy Joel that said if the devil went into business, he'd go into the music business - so true

[clueless]

I wonder if recording music from the radio and removing the commercials, to listen to it later, is also illegal?

I know that there is a big move by Media Industry Executives to make it illegal to skip through TV and DVD commercials...

From: WAFF.com - Don't Touch That Remote

Go to the movies, you have no choice. Sitting through several minutes of ads, trailers, promos just to get to the film you really paid to see.

The benefit of watching a DVD at home is that you can skip through that prelude. But maybe not, anymore.

A new bill before Congress would make fast forwarding through those ads illegal even at home.

The bill allows technology that lets families edit out explicit scenes or material. But broadcast companies have lobbied hard to keep commercials and movie trailers off limits.

"Their concern is if it becomes easy for people to skip ads, then their whole business model goes down the drain." Gigi Sohn, of consumer advocacy group, Public Knowledge, is fighting the bill and says families have been skipping ads ever since the early days of the VCR.

Senator John McCain agrees and says... "Do we really expect to throw people in jail for behavior they've been engaged in for more than a quarter century?"

Media executives say that's not their goal. The Motion Picture Association says it supports other parts of the act, "Particularly those provisions that will help combat the theft of motion pictures."

But that hasn't stopped the fear among some that one day, when they say, "Don't touch that dial," you may not have a choice.

this is one of the most insane and evil things i've ever heard! and they're not even trying to be devious about it! why not just scrap all the ads, and recall every citizen for one day every month to be locked in a room with their eyelids clamped open and a TV displaying an endless loop of commercials shoved in their face? what's the difference?

also stunning is Senator John McCain's puny opposition to it ostensibly on the grounds that "we're not used to it"

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

f**king nutters

[Emerald Tablet]

f**k

News like this is even more a reason for me to share as much as i can and fight back by keeping as many fileshare programs in the air as possible.

Industry taking out on simple souls is no reason for many of the folks on these forums to get angry. It seems like some guys are pro high cd prices, many folks seem to feel music belongs to a snobbish elite and not to "everybody"

If cd`s were still as affordable as L.P`s were in the 80`s i would download less and buy more. The files i download are rare recordings from the 20`s 30`s and 40`s .... but you probably want "time life" or "dino" or whatever company to have the "rights" on recordings by people who have been dead by years.

news like this and the reactions from people on these forums make me downright pissed .... where are the rebels now we need them.