KVR Audio

braj · Post by **braj** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:24 pm

Unless you're a nerd, the only way you should use Linux is with a good, simple distro like Mandrake and never try and tweak or install anything. Just use it to write emails and browse the web. Running a DAW on Linux if you're not a geek sounds like way more trouble than it's worth.

braj · Post by **braj** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:30 pm

I just realized they want to charge 49 UK pounds for what you can get free in Windows, and much you can get free in OS X! Geez.

moonlite · Post by **moonlite** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:15 pm

braj, you're right ..

but wouldn't it be great if we had all vst:s compiled in linux, too .. and the sequencers also =)

utopia ..

declassified · Post by **declassified** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:40 pm

moonlite wrote:but wouldn't it be great if we had all vst:s compiled in linux, too .. and the sequencers also =)

Horrible from a linux user's point of view!
Those who love the all-in-one philosophy should stick to windows and mac os or even some beginner linux distros, but there shouldn't be any applications built into the linux kernel.

moonlite · Post by **moonlite** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:50 pm

declassified wrote:
moonlite wrote:but wouldn't it be great if we had all vst:s compiled in linux, too .. and the sequencers also =)
Horrible from a linux user's point of view!
Those who love the all-in-one philosophy should stick to windows and mac os or even some beginner linux distros, but there shouldn't be any applications built into the linux kernel.

no no no I wasn't talking about the kernel :D

I was talking about compiling the applications in a linux system (like with gcc etc). you know, so that they would become compatible? ;)

alma is a fish · Post by **alma is a fish** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:32 am

braj wrote:I just realized they want to charge 49 UK pounds for what you can get free in Windows, and much you can get free in OS X! Geez.

yeah.....but you do have to pay for windows and mac os also.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:18 am

braj wrote:I just realized they want to charge 49 UK pounds for what you can get free in Windows, and much you can get free in OS X! Geez.

They charge you for packaging and support. You get 30 days email support from them and it comes in a nice case and all. I agree that 50 quid is a little more than I thought they were going to charge but it looks pretty good. Well, it probably would look good if it would boot my system but I didn't expect that it would so I'm hardly disappointed. They sent me a copy as some of our synths are included.

They are quite up-front about it being based around Rosegarden, its stated right under the "Studio To Go" title on the cover.

I don't know where you guys get your Linux horror stories from. In my experience it is at least as easy to use as Windoze or OSX and if you want to get in and tweak it, it will give you considerably better performance. If you don't it will probably still be a little faster than your other OS because it is generally much better written. The main reason I don't still use it is that there were one or two things that I couldn't do with it [mostly structured art but InkScape seems to have solved that problem]. If discreet ported combustion to Linux I would be there like a shot.

mrmachine · Post by **mrmachine** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:01 am

braj wrote:Unless you're a nerd, the only way you should use Linux is with a good, simple distro like Mandrake and never try and tweak or install anything. Just use it to write emails and browse the web. Running a DAW on Linux if you're not a geek sounds like way more trouble than it's worth.

not true ... linux audio is on the verge of shitting all over windows - i made the switch about 6 months ago, and i can tell you that with the jack audio server and apps like Muse, Ardour, Rosegarden plus a whole bunch of synths, effects etc, what you can do with audio and linux is *much* more flexible to your needs than windows will ever be. add to this support for the *majority* of VST plugins, the ability to run programs like Wavelab, Muzys, AudioMulch, N-Track Studio etc etc with wine (which is as hard as double clicking on a wine rpm package and then double-clicking on the Windows Application setup).

plus - i can get latency of about .10 seconds with my soundblaster live along with true multi-track recording (up to 4 instruments at a time with same soundblaster plus live drive).

it takes some work to get familiar with linux, and then to set up audio ... but once you do, you'll be glad - and not just because of the audio capabilities, also cos windows is a cancer on you computer, robbing more and more of your freedom and privacy from you ... and then there's viruses blah blah

stuff windows.

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:09 am

So, what is the best midi/audio sequencer on Linux? What are the choices?

mrmachine · Post by **mrmachine** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:30 am

braj wrote:So, what is the best midi/audio sequencer on Linux? What are the choices?

At the moment, the best options are the aforementioned Rosegarden and Muse - from a Windows perspective, Rosegarden is probably the way to go, as its integrated VST support (through dssi-vst) is stable (you can still use VST in Muse, but its integrated VST support isn't working at the moment) and has a nice, clean interface. Also, full-duplex audio recording has just been fixed, and as far as i can tell, Rosegarden in conjunction with Ardour (you can sync them through Jack much as you would sync Windows apps with ReWire) will give you the power of most Windows midi/audio sequencers.

the path i followed while switching to linux was installing a dual-boot situation with fedora core 2 (using the Planet CCRMA package repository for audio apps and a patched real-time kernel), so i still was able to record music with windows while learning how to get an audio system happening on linux ...

by the way - live cd's such as Studio to Go, Apodio, and Agnula should only be a problem to run if you have some pretty exotic hardware setups ...

i recommend using Planet CCRMA, though, if you decide to give it a shot. Do a google on any of these things, and you'll get to the right place.

bambooman · Post by **bambooman** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:35 pm

anyone, using Apodio ???

how is it?

http://www.apo33.org/apodio/gupp/?lng=en

fake · Post by **fake** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:35 pm

Why buy it whe it can be done for free and with the latest versions. The latet DeMuDi distro includes up to date packages that are around 3 months old!

Having said that Studio to go has one big advantage, fat 32 support plus it can also be installed to disk. The guy that developed Studio to Go wrote the DSSI-VST code, so its a big thanks to him from me.

Trouble is it seems like the people who produce these products don't seem to know much about a Musicians requirements. All so far are still bloated with unnecessary apps, some with no fat 32 support, so no streaming from disk and still a great lack of tutorials.

Despite that I'm using it all the time now and will try and encourage as many as I can to at least try it.

It's also amazing how much "free" code is being used in "commercial" products and yet people are being charged for it. Something that is frowned upon and classed as unethical in the real Linux world.

Early days, yet...

fake

Radek · Post by **Radek** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:24 pm

mrmachine wrote:
braj wrote:Unless you're a nerd, the only way you should use Linux is with a good, simple distro like Mandrake and never try and tweak or install anything. Just use it to write emails and browse the web. Running a DAW on Linux if you're not a geek sounds like way more trouble than it's worth.
not true ... linux audio is on the verge of shitting all over windows - i made the switch about 6 months ago, and i can tell

Technically Linux is (as kernel) absolutely capable for a DAW's works. The Korg Oasys runs Linux and the Receptor too. It's just the rest (configuration, being forced to learn few new things and the familiarity with win) what is stopping a more people from it. But this is changing slowly and the first port of more known host might start an avalanche.

mrmachine wrote: you that with the jack audio server and apps like Muse, Ardour, Rosegarden plus a whole bunch of synths, effects etc, what you can do with audio and linux is *much* more flexible to your needs than windows will ever be. add to this support for the *majority* of VST plugins, the ability to run programs like Wavelab, Muzys, AudioMulch, N-Track Studio etc etc with wine (which is as hard as double clicking on a wine rpm package and then double-clicking on the Windows Application setup).

plus - i can get latency of about .10 seconds with my soundblaster live along with true multi-track recording (up to 4 instruments at a time with same soundblaster plus live drive).

it takes some work to get familiar with linux, and then to set up audio ... but once you do, you'll be glad - and not just because of the audio capabilities, also cos windows is a cancer on you computer, robbing more and more of your freedom and privacy from you ... and then there's viruses blah blah

This is somewhat exaggerated but indeed - I just recently installed a win from a scratch. How I was surprised with speed of this freshly installed system! To contrary a Linux doesn't get so bad with time. It actually doesn't at all and when properly set it might just run forever. The Linux's application management (I use dpkg/apt-get) is a light years ahead of the windows' one.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:42 pm

mrmachine wrote:
braj wrote:Unless you're a nerd, the only way you should use Linux is with a good, simple distro like Mandrake and never try and tweak or install anything. Just use it to write emails and browse the web. Running a DAW on Linux if you're not a geek sounds like way more trouble than it's worth.
not true ... linux audio is on the verge of shitting all over windows - i made the switch about 6 months ago, and i can tell you that with the jack audio server and apps like Muse, Ardour, Rosegarden plus a whole bunch of synths, effects etc, what you can do with audio and linux is *much* more flexible to your needs than windows will ever be. add to this support for the *majority* of VST plugins, the ability to run programs like Wavelab, Muzys, AudioMulch, N-Track Studio etc etc with wine (which is as hard as double clicking on a wine rpm package and then double-clicking on the Windows Application setup).

plus - i can get latency of about .10 seconds with my soundblaster live along with true multi-track recording (up to 4 instruments at a time with same soundblaster plus live drive).

it takes some work to get familiar with linux, and then to set up audio ... but once you do, you'll be glad - and not just because of the audio capabilities, also cos windows is a cancer on you computer, robbing more and more of your freedom and privacy from you ... and then there's viruses blah blah

stuff windows.

wow, what an endless list of rhetorical bullshit. I'm sure Bill and the boys in Redmond open every board meeting with "OK MEN, how are we going to rob those SOBs of more of their freedom and privacy?" What a load of crap.

You can argue that Linux gives you more control over the low level operations of your computer. But any of that other stuff, including that nonsense about flexibility, is complete dribble.

Radek · Post by **Radek** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:12 am

SJ_Digriz wrote: wow, what an endless list of rhetorical bullshit. I'm sure Bill and the boys in Redmond open every board meeting with "OK MEN, how are we going to rob those SOBs of more of their freedom and privacy?" What a load of crap.

Only $$$ counts for executives of such companies. Bill Gates itself said he wouldn't have a chance if is he had to deal with today's business practises (false litigation only to drain $ from a competitor, "submarine patents", threatening with denying rebates, etc.).

SJ_Digriz wrote: You can argue that Linux gives you more control over the low level operations of your computer. But any of that other stuff, including that nonsense about flexibility, is complete dribble.

Linux gives more control over ALL levels of your computer. In a certain aspects it gives things you couldn't do in the windows. You can not run win from cd, you can not run win without graphics. You have a complete zero possibilities to tune a kernel yourselves (few examples).

With win you are just a consumer, eventually aplication developer however never a system developer (except one situation by then you are not free). Bassicaly the ms is your daddy. If he says "no" then you had to comply. If not then oh well... welcome one wonderfull thing starting with "l".

If you have a desire to talk about a "nonsense about Linux's flexibility" then please contact first the MuseResearch, then Korg and eventually you might have an interesting discussion on one of the SoundOnSound's forums too.

Studio....to go Linux OS sequencer