Sytrus vs Rhino [6 years dead thread bumped; go to page 21]

[kodama]

Probably toxic FM which isn't bad at all.

Toxic would have been so much better if he would have put looping envelopes!

Operator? That gotta be a joke.

Why? It's only as much as Rhino or Sytrus and has 1/5 of the features!!

Operator does seem to have cleaner more defined OSCs than Sytrus though!

So how long before this thread gets on Floopbert?

[JMC]

hehe silly me...of course it is.......tell me how many are on the GB now

Not enough to move it to the next level ...

See ya,

jmc (FL Studio)

[gbles]

Well, reading silly posts in here is a lot more entertaining than reading the same old silly posts in the Tracktion forum. I could read at least another two pages of this....

[jens]

wow 14 pages and counting......
If I would have knew that this would get so way,way ,way out of hand I would never have asked this question.

it could have been finished on the first page...

They do not compare, really. They have similar features, but do not sound the same.

that's the point - they sound completely different from each other so this comparison doesn't really make much sense...

you could as well compare Sytrus with e.g. Kubik

everytime the thread was calming down Gol appeared and put more fuel to the fire...

[jens]

b.t.w.: Gol, I know your tricks of provoking people by telling lies then transformating them into half-truths then into lies again... you really are a bad guy - I mean it

[gbles]

What did Gol say that was throwing fuel on the fire? As far as I can see he hasn't said anything false or offensive to anybody. He's blunt, perhaps, but not offensive.

EDIT: jens, the statement that I *think* upset you was actually confirmed by Tick - Rhino 1 did playback samples. I've been closely following this thread and honestly can't see why you would think Gol is such a bad guy. Besides, none of this is worth getting upset over......

[smart]

Ok, 14 pages later I still dont see what the f**k everyone is whining about?

People are a bit too uptight around here sometimes

[jzero]

I think Gol's an extremely talented guy...
And I'm extremely happy that I don't have to work with him.



Sytrus is superb, by the way. Buy it in the group buy. With the money you save, get in on the WusikStation group buy too. You'll be in synth heaven like me!!!

[sdv]

You could also not listen to that jens crybaby,

No need. It's pretty obvious to me who here knows what a real synth is and who doesn't

Yep, the debate should be on algorithms vs samples pure & simple. No judgement call on either as Iuse both types of instruments, but there is a difference.

And both Cytrus and Rhino have algorithms (being FM synths), hence there's not much sense in your reasoning. Or are you going to prove that Rhino hasn't got any algorithms ? Hmm ?

Of course Rhino has algorithms, but since it also playback samples then the sound really isn't a *pure* algorithm machine. Pedantic view perhaps but true.

[Forever Sun]

Not true at all.

Use only FM and/or waveshaping without any samples and what do you get ?
Can you not see it ?
You are left with your algorithm only, making Rhino your "pure algorithm machine".

[Caleb]

OK - it seems that there is some sticking point which seems to be generating alot of this slanging.

I don't use Rhino at the moment - although by all accounts it seems like a nice tool.

Anyway - the Rhino page says:

Our breakthrough instrument is a synthesist's dream machine: featuring 6 oscillators per voice (with more than 130 built-in waveforms and the ability to import your own), this thing is made for big sounds.

Now - the question is - how many of these 130 built-in waveforms and how many of them are mathematically computed on the fly, purely synthesised, whatever you want to call it?

If all 130 built-in waveforms are sampled I imagine Gol has a point in his comparisons. Whether the comparison shows a difference in quality at an instrument level is another 36 page argument in itself of course.

Soooooo....what about those 130 built-in waveforms?

At least so we can get that part sealed off so that there are no more accusations of people being dickheads, morons or liars just about one relatively small fact.

Caleb

[fuego96]

If all 130 built-in waveforms are sampled I imagine Gol has a point in his comparisons. Whether the comparison shows a difference in quality at an instrument level is another 36 page argument in itself of course.

It's not even just HIS point

When someone asks (as in the original post) "As I only tried the demos for both of them briefly I was wondering what where the pro and cons for each synth.?"

One would expect subjective responses as well as a healthy dose of factual ones to back up. Now there are a whole lot of subjective responses which were fine and all. But somehow, when the factual ones come out so as to proove that both synths aren't even in the same class (which is bloody obvious) the discussion degrades into *real* lies, slanders and half-truths.

It is even questionable that some of those people are in a position to comment technically since they don't even write any kind of synth software -- let alone an FM Synth. Or program a real FM synth patch (basing their primary techniques on the DX7).

But, it is rather entertaining to see how they keep lying -- to themselves.

(which is probably the reason why a lot of folk in here still like to read this sickening thread )

[Jaeson Merrill]

i find it entertaining that a certain moron gets so upset about it.

[Caleb]

So fuego I guess you don't know then whether all the built-in waveforms are sampled or created from scratch in Rhino.

Anyone else?

Caleb

[shamann]

So fuego I guess you don't know then whether all the built-in waveforms are sampled or created from scratch in Rhino.

Anyone else?

All single-cycle waveforms are generated rather than sampled. So that is 19 of the 130 waveforms. And there is an additive generator that lets you create your own.

From the Rhino manual:

· Attacks: short sampled attacks of various sounds, including vocals effects
· Brass: trumpets, trombones, …
· Effects: special effects.
· Loops: various animated patters and loops.
· Nature: samples from nature noises
· Noise: various flavours of noise (white, pink, brown, ….)
· Percussions: metallic percussion sounds
· Single-Cycle: computer-generated single-cycle waveforms.
· Synthesized: various sounds generated with other software synthesizers
· User-Defined: User1 to User6 waveforms, defined using the built-in additive editor