TritoneDigital.. hydratone, Voxengo and Kjaerhus, Fear it!

[Kingston]

CurveEQ has minimum phase - does that help with the ringing issue - or is it still quasi linear phase in sheeps clothing for practical purposes?

yes, it helps with the ringing, the best mode in curveEQ IMO.


linearphase preringing isn't apparent at first, but comparing mixes with and without it all over the place and the difference is like night and day(or mush and clear rather).

[akisd28]

Yes, channelstrip quality EQs need to be efficient and bombproof, no matter how "different" or good!

Have you tried the URS EQ bundle? It fits your description and the sound is great!

[kilroy]

...every single linear phase EQ generates an artifact called preringing instead of the less noticeable phase shift of normal EQ.

Right...guess this means you won't be too interested in Dan Weiss's EQ1-LP, then.

[Kingston]

...every single linear phase EQ generates an artifact called preringing instead of the less noticeable phase shift of normal EQ.

Right...guess this means you won't be too interested in Dan Weiss's EQ1-LP, then.

EQ1-LP is optimalphase/dynamic implementation of some kind isn't it? quite the difference to bogstandard linearphase...

[kilroy]

...every single linear phase EQ generates an artifact called preringing instead of the less noticeable phase shift of normal EQ.

Right...guess this means you won't be too interested in Dan Weiss's EQ1-LP, then.

EQ1-LP is optimalphase/dynamic implementation of some kind isn't it? quite the difference to bogstandard linearphase...

Actually, it is indeed a linear phase model, Kingston. But I can tell you that it *is* certainly optimal the way it has been implemented, in this case.

Also, at the user's discretion, the linear phase model can be defeated as well, in which case you have the basic EQ1 filters. These don't sound too shabby either.

But lets be fair...Daniel Weiss has been honing his digital filter maths for a wee while now. Chances are good the reason his EQs sound so sweet is because he's got some things figured out.

[007]

I'll resign myself from this thread and won't touch the plugin until it's out of beta, not riddled with bugs, usable GUI and more CPU friendly and that's quite the handful!

Seems you don't like the thing. Bugs? Works perfect here. The gui has some small problems. And you don't want to use it because of the CPU? What kind of computer do you have?

I really am interested in some soumd files where you actually compare the eq's you mentioned, so we can hear why the software eq's are better. Please do, I am not able to do that.

[Kingston]

I'll resign myself from this thread and won't touch the plugin until it's out of beta, not riddled with bugs, usable GUI and more CPU friendly and that's quite the handful!

Seems you don't like the thing. Bugs? Works perfect here. The gui has some small problems. And you don't want to use it because of the CPU? What kind of computer do you have?

I really am interested in some soumd files where you actually compare the eq's you mentioned, so we can hear why the software eq's are better. Please do, I am not able to do that.

Are you on a mac? if not, you can try both of the voxengo EQ demos for free.

Also, if you're on a mac, the pluggo/MAX/MSP platform is in much better shape and actually works most of the time. The hydratone/pluggo PC beta is in such a bad shape you surely must blind not to notice. (just for a laugh, press the mono button...)

The CPU usage complaint is still valid, even if I run it on a64 3.8ghz. It takes too much CPU for a simple channelstrip EQ. Comparison to HarmoniEQ is pointless since I really think it's in a class of its own, and doesn't try to be a simple trackEQ. (hence I happily give it any CPU it wants because the sound actually warrants it)

and the fire button... it sounds just plain bad. Why on earth would I want a cheap badsounding digital waveshaper algorithm after an EQ that at least pretends to sound analog?

[ArneyS]

Whatever happened to the Sonalksis EQ, it seems to have taken the backseat to all these 'new' EQs.

As for this particular one, there is a difference in the demos bmanic provided, but a very slight one IMO, not something that would make me scream OMFG.

I'd like to see some more drastic boosts on synthetic material (say a sawtooth).

[defjamm]

I'll resign myself from this thread and won't touch the plugin until it's out of beta, not riddled with bugs, usable GUI and more CPU friendly and that's quite the handful!

Seems you don't like the thing. Bugs? Works perfect here. The gui has some small problems. And you don't want to use it because of the CPU? What kind of computer do you have?

I really am interested in some soumd files where you actually compare the eq's you mentioned, so we can hear why the software eq's are better. Please do, I am not able to do that.

Are you on a mac? if not, you can try both of the voxengo EQ demos for free.

i'm on pc and hydratone blows both of them away. gliss doesn't have this nice high-end and punchy lows, hydratone is clearly better. HarmoniEQ isn't as punchy too.

you surely must blind not to notice. (just for a laugh, press the mono button...)

and you must be kind of deaf?

The CPU usage complaint is still valid, even if I run it on a64 3.8ghz. It takes too much CPU for a simple channelstrip EQ. Comparison to HarmoniEQ is pointless since I really think it's in a class of its own, and doesn't try to be a simple trackEQ. (hence I happily give it any CPU it wants because the sound actually warrants it)

blablabla...HarmoniEQ uses twice the cpu-power, but THAT is ok for you lol?

it sounds great on drums.

[007]

Indeed ArneyS, we always think new is better. I read a recent test somewhere wherein the Focusrite Red EQ plugin (1997) was choosen in the top 3, together with the Sony, and one I forgot.

Kingston, I am on PC. I think we have different ears, or expect different things from an EQ. I am in accoustic music. My top 3 is: 1- Hydratone. 2. Bombfactory (the three pultecs) 3. Focusrite Red.

Indeed there is a bug for the mono switch. I never used it, enchanted by the sound....

[Kingston]

i'm on pc and hydratone blows both of them away. gliss doesn't have this nice high-end and punchy lows, hydratone is clearly better. HarmoniEQ isn't as punchy too.

and you must be kind of deaf?

blablabla...HarmoniEQ uses twice the cpu-power, but THAT is ok for you lol?

it sounds great on drums.

"blablabla." erm, great to have such well voiced opinions fired at me. I suppose it was about time someone used tar and feathers in this thread as well. enter the fanboys.

if you would've read my post you would've understood why I think it's OK for harmoniEQ to use so much CPU.

I'm pretty much with bmanic on this, hydratone sounds different enough to the voxengos I mentioned to not completely "blow them away". It's just that I don't think it sounds good enough.

Is that clear? an opinion for you mr fanboy.

oh and the fire knob for drums? you must not like transients and want to remove all that punchiness created by hydratone.


as a sidenote. sonalksis used to be my absolute favourite EQ, until I and bmanic discovered what it does to the sound even when all the bands are bypassed. There's an odd non-linear process going on that is leaning towards harshness. It generates odd mush/harshness (although very subtle) to the material, and it builds up in a mix, especially if there is more than one sonalksis chained. The new alt mode in GlissEQ2 is a much better take on that type of sound.

[defjamm]

i'm on pc and hydratone blows both of them away. gliss doesn't have this nice high-end and punchy lows, hydratone is clearly better. HarmoniEQ isn't as punchy too.

and you must be kind of deaf?

blablabla...HarmoniEQ uses twice the cpu-power, but THAT is ok for you lol?

it sounds great on drums.

"blablabla." erm, great to have such well voiced opinions fired at me. I suppose it was about time someone used tar and feathers in this thread as well. enter the fanboys.

if you would've read my post you would've understood why I think it's OK for harmoniEQ to use so much CPU.

I'm pretty much with bmanic on this, hydratone sounds different enough to the voxengos I mentioned to not completely "blow them away". It's just that I don't think it sounds good enough.

Is that clear? an opinion for you mr fanboy.

oh and the fire knob for drums? you must not like transients and want to remove all that punchiness created by hydratone.


as a sidenote. sonalksis used to be my absolute favourite EQ, until I and bmanic discovered what it does to the sound even when all the bands are bypassed. There's an odd non-linear process going on that is leaning towards harshness. It generates odd mush/harshness (although very subtle) to the material, and it builds up in a mix, especially if there is more than one sonalksis chained. The new alt mode in GlissEQ2 is a much better take on that type of sound.

you accuse me of being a fanboy? that's ridiculous dude. take a kick-drum, and push 100hz with hydratone and gliss in dyn0-mode(try to match q), if you don't hear the difference you are really deaf and have real serious ear-problems, and this is not even a joke. try the same thing with a hi-shelf on a voice, man, gliss is not even close. harmoniEQ doesn't have the punchiness neither. the fire knob has a lot of steps, you don't have to use the maximum.

'if you would've read my post you would've understood why I think it's OK for harmoniEQ to use so much CPU'

yes your argumentation is complete bullshit. hydratone uses so much cpu blabla...harmoniEQ uses twice the amound, that's the reality, and not your blabbering and excuses.

'I'll resign myself from this thread'

you should do what you wrote

[Kingston]

you accuse me of being a fanboy? that's ridiculous dude.

yes your argumentation is complete bullshit.

hydratone uses so much cpu blabla...

as far as fanboyism, I think I just caught you pants down.

The way I see it, 'blabla' is where you stopped reading my post and started writing your one sided view (once again). Telltale sign of troll/fanboy behaviour.

'I'll resign myself from this thread'

you should do what you wrote

I felt I needed to refine some of my arguments. (and I mean points, not arguements). Certainly with such fanboyism and black and white opinions as yours another point of view was needed, no?

and the fire knob, even if used just a little bit, is still just a fairly generic digital waveshaper.




For the rest of the people in the class, don't mind me and deafjamm, it's just good old fashioned forum brawl.

[defjamm]

you accuse me of being a fanboy? that's ridiculous dude.

yes your argumentation is complete bullshit.

hydratone uses so much cpu blabla...

as far as fanboyism, I think I just caught you pants down.

The way I see it, 'blabla' is where you stopped reading my post and started writing your one sided view (once again). Telltale sign of troll/fanboy behaviour.

once again, you don't have real arguments. you just keep repeating, that i'm a fanboy or a troll. you don't talk about music, about practical use of these eqs, and i did. oh btw, you have a problem with the faulty GUI of the hydratone-BETA. so do you use your eyes to judge an eq or your ears?

'I'll resign myself from this thread'

you should do what you wrote

I felt I needed to refine some of my arguments. (and I mean points, not arguements). Certainly with such fanboyism and black and white opinions as yours another point of view was needed, no?

no, you just keep repeating over and over again.

and the fire knob, even if used just a little bit, is still just a fairly generic digital waveshaper.

and gliss is just a generic digital eq and can't compete with hydratone when you boost, and that's a fact.

For the rest of the people in the class, don't mind me and deafjamm, it's just good old fashioned forum brawl.

it's a massacre and you get slauthered for being an voxengo-fanboy

[kylen]

...take a kick-drum, and push 100hz with hydratone and gliss in dyn0-mode(try to match q)

Why are you saying to test with Dyn=0, that just makes Gliss a normal EQ - right? What's the test criteria for that ?