Sytrus vs Rhino [6 years dead thread bumped; go to page 21]

[luCiPHer]

while the examples aren't bad (I like the dry pads), it more sounds like some background noise mixed with the pads, I mean it's noise, it doesn't really follow the chord. Anyway, for those who like..

it's ALWAYS for those who like

i have no prblem if a synth can put out sounds that are not really tonal, but cool atmospheric noise, or whatever (i love absynths granular features for example).

so there really is no reason to bash rhino because of it's sample support.

yet i agree with the fact, that a lot of rhinos presets (those that i have tried) sound like they are heavily depending on samples, i did not dig too deep into it anyway, because i did not like the overall soundcharacter THAT much and hated the gui instantly (i know, it's skinnable, but on the other hand i loved sytrus's sound and the gui, ESPECIALLY because it's so small ).

[René]

while the examples aren't bad (I like the dry pads), it more sounds like some background noise mixed with the pads, I mean it's noise, it doesn't really follow the chord. Anyway, for those who like..

Both example noises do follow the chord... oh well, for those who can hear...


-René

[tony tony chopper]

ESPECIALLY because it's so small

for once someone who doesn't blame my small (that is, not oversized) UI's

I hope to keep the future ones not too big.

[tony tony chopper]

I tried something more interesting (read: flexible): importing envelopes from samples. So that you can stretch them, invert them, control anything with them (here, just the level of 2 FM modulators).

Not my cup of tea, but someone who's into that kind of preset should be able to do a lot:

http://www.flstudio.com/gol/SytEnv.mp3

[speccyteccy]

I tried something more interesting (read: flexible): importing envelopes from samples. So that you can stretch them, invert them, control anything with them (here, just the level of 2 FM modulators).

Not my cup of tea, but someone who's into that kind of preset should be able to do a lot:

http://www.flstudio.com/gol/SytEnv.mp3

Rhino or Sytrus???

[FaX]

I'd really like to hear usable results out of FM with complex samples. It's already too easy to get noise with FM when you get a little away from pure sines.

It's also easy to get way to much noise with pure sines the wroung FM algo's and way to much feedback on certain modulators - so your point is what exactly ?


Firstly the TG77 / SY77/99 all did this perfectly well but hey this isn't a hardware thread.
Secondly I forced myself to read this entire thread from start to finish.
Absolutely atrocious is a mild understatement.
Don't think I'd buy "Imageline" anything after reading this myself.
Didn't like the Sytrus demo either - seriously though I find 2/3rds of the pumped up and raved about synths in here way overated myself.
Z3ta being another one for example.
Hey that's just my opinion - they all sound fine but they aren't the dog's bollocks either.
Maybe I got spoiled with years of hardware.
It isn't about X vs Y .
It's about knowing the full feature set of any given synth and exploiting / exploring and maximising it's full potential.
For example something as simple as Land of Cockaigne's Morpheus ( a decent sample library (custom field recordings work a treat here)and decent eq + verb and delay ) will yield many ambient gem's that you could spend hours trying to prorgram on other synths.
Older hardwere gems come to mind also ie:
EMU - Ultraproteus and Morpheus (still hugely powerful and can be bought for peanuts with the function generators alone worth the entry price .
Not to mention the full implementation of Emu's Zplane filter technology ....infact the only two Emu synths to do so on this level).
Yamaha - TG33 (cheap vector, dig deep and she's a gem also) & DX7IIFdE - need I say more.
Ensoniq - Sq80 (great mod matrix and a very unique character) & EPS16+ (awesome sound design capabilities with the looping and custom transwave functions)
etc etc ....
My point being any synth is only as good as the person using it IMHO.
And one may be subjectively better than an other but the same synth in two different hands can yield either very awesome or very average results.
My VST folder is smaller than the one included in LIVE 4.1's native plug in folder (and that includes effects).
I can't see how more necessarily = better .
And I can't see how having conviction in ones own coding/design work makes what you've got to offer better than anything anyone else has.
As an excersise in stroking ones ego this thread is up their with the best.
It is however far from unbiased or grossly under opinionated.
Certain people here have served to do nothing more than the discredit the thing they so wish to prop up in my eyes.
Sorry ,but a good product speaks for itself.
Ok rant over.
As I said really a pretty disgusting thread IMHO .
In a world gone to shit and looking like hell in a basket it's nice to see humanity still has it's priorities set straight

[tony tony chopper]

Rhino or Sytrus???

sytrus of course, with an envelope imported from a.. yes drumloop

My point being any synth is only as good as the person using it IMHO

the usual "it's the synth's limits that do its strength".. personally I've rarely seen amazing stuff made using poor tools. So all you need is an oscillator, a filter and an ADSR and you're set for everything?

[Caleb]

Actually - I haven't minded the thread that much especially because now Mr Tick, René and Gol are getting in there and posting demonstrations of what can be achieved.

I always find it a bit special when the developers themselves jump in and create some sounds.

I liked René's first pad and Gol's Sytrus envelope thingy by the way. Both sounded very interesting.

But I agree with Fax in so many ways. That someone who is really good with synths is going to make Rhino, Z3ta, Sytrus and any other thing sound bloody marvellous. I personally don't think I make FM synths sound marvellous at all which is why I don't have a monster FM synth in my arsenal.

I like WusikStation and I have a soft spot for Kubik (even though I can't program it for shit).

The funny thing is that it's quite often about what you need. I don't need another synth - but so many people will jump in and tell me that I need Rhino or Sytrus or Z3ta.

But the thing is I already have enough synths that I'm not going to get any decent use out of - including Pentagon, so I'm always amused when even users will be basically trying to sell me the latest and greatest flagship (dog's bollocks) synth.

I like the - it's complimentary - argument. Well - there's an excuse to double your purchases. Most of the time one synth really will replace most others for alot of us.

But of course for others - it's a very different story.

I'm just not really a connoisseur of anything - maybe that's the problem.

Caleb

[kodama]

I tried something more interesting (read: flexible): importing envelopes from samples.

gol, how did you do that? A future feature???

[tony tony chopper]

yes a new (future) feature

[FaX]

Rhino or Sytrus???

sytrus of course, with an envelope imported from a.. yes drumloop

My point being any synth is only as good as the person using it IMHO

the usual "it's the synth's limits that do its strength".. personally I've rarely seen amazing stuff made using poor tools. So all you need is an oscillator, a filter and an ADSR and you're set for everything?

I did say a "synth" is only as good as.
Meaning two people using Sytrus
Two People using Rhino
Two people bullshitting about crap that bolsters their ego etc etc ........
Each one will perform that task differently.
Some will succeed where others fail.
Or would you rather we where all Lords of everything and Masters of nothing?

No need to be facile - how many people buy a synth like Sytrus and never a)program it b)learn about the synthesis it employs and c) fully masters it?

A person with great synth knowledge of say Vaz Modular could get way more mileage from that one synth than Mr.I tweek presets a little and keep buying the latest VSTi to expand my sonic palette.
Or Mr. I own Sytrus but rely on presets because I can't program it for that matter.

And please give up before you turn me off Imageline Products completely.

[tony tony chopper]

how many people buy a synth like Sytrus and never a)program it b)learn about the synthesis it employs and c) fully masters it?

no one said that Sytrus or Rhino were for everyone. There's a scale in required user knowledge. You don't need any knowledge to use a rompler, you need a little more to use Sytrus, Rhino, FM7, and you need much more to use Reaktor.

And please give up before you turn me off Imageline Products completely

lol, how childish

[kodama]

Hey gol, I think it's a good idea.

It would be sweet if it could convert amp and pitch of the sound into 2 seperate envelopes!

Lots of potential, especially if you could "record" a sound's envelopes via an input in Sytrus, make some nice envelopes, then save them for future use.

Very powerful ideas

[tony tony chopper]

Lots of potential, especially if you could "record" a sound's envelopes via an input in Sytrus, make some nice envelopes, then save them for future use.

Sytrus won't have any input, but it's planned to convert FL automation into FL automation clips in a future release of FL.

So you'd be able to record the output of a peak controller plugin, convert that to an automation clip, and (in the future), save that automation clip env to a Sytrus-compatible envelope. Not as quick of course.. But not every host allows an input for generators (FL doesn't), so..


Now the easiest is to make this.. live.. in FL, linking the output of a peak controller to a sytrus knob.

[kodama]

Si basically, Sytrus will be able to record automation to its envelopes?