For The Fans Of Real Hip-Hop................................

[TVD]

My family and I keep trying to make it through 8 Mile, but we keep getting bored and changing the channel. I don't feel like the characters are doomed by society. They seem to create their own problems. Is this what Hip Hop is about?

Some people are victims of circumstances.

BTW, 8 Mile was the retelling of Purple Rain. Watch Purple Rain on DVD first before trying to watch 8 Mile next time.

[TVD]

The Almighty TVD:
"1. street smarts
one who is knowledgible at some art of illegal activity. understands the code and conduct held within a certain crime family/ies.

the term came from the common street hoodlum who knows how to succeed in areas that don't necessaryly need a formal education to get ahead in life.

for instance a group(crew) of criminals enterprise at trafficing and selling narcotics. they need some type of illegal practice for processing, smuggling, marketing and laundering money for their underground buisness. since the buisness is illegal, they set rules and regulations to keep the buisness from toppling. in doing so they from a "family" to keep outsiders from interfering and make their own checks and balances within their own "family" inorder to get rid of any potential rogue members; some of the codes that one would hold is that they:
* did not cooperate with authorities
* maintained self-control in the face of adversity
* carried out vendettas to avenge any slight suffering by his family(gang)
* did not forgive or forget
* maintained his demeanor within his ranking in a criminal hierarchy

it could be as petty like knowning how to card a door open, start a car without keys to a professional con-artist, a hit man, loan shark, ect...
carlo gambino had street smarts. that's why he was known in his neighborhood as a wiseguy. "

Acording to your First Overstanding, Hip Hop artists should be in jail. And, doesn't the Third Overstanding nullify the First Overstanding?

Remember now, It's not my information, but the temple's:

http://www.templeofhiphop.org/index.php

And can you please rephase the second question about the First & Third Overstanding?

[snooky]

avoid sectarian thinking.

hiphop is a collective noun of creative utterances of people who express themselfs in similar ways. You can live the hiphop way but don`t forget its just some subculture.

when you grow older your world will proly become bigger as mine did. ofcourse the warm blanket of some subculture is nice during your pubertal crisis ...most people move on after that

I didn't move on..I got into it deeper...

[stale bread]

some of these comments about hiphop in this thread are as old as 'America' itself.


this is a tip. stop trying to understand something you have prejudice against. it's oxymoronic.

[Emerald Tablet]

avoid sectarian thinking.

hiphop is a collective noun of creative utterances of people who express themselfs in similar ways. You can live the hiphop way but don`t forget its just some subculture.

when you grow older your world will proly become bigger as mine did. ofcourse the warm blanket of some subculture is nice during your pubertal crisis ...most people move on after that

I didn't move on..I got into it deeper...

deeper into your pubertal crisis
djeez your life must be hard

[Stupid American Pig]

I agree that hip hop needs to have a museum similar to the rock and roll hall of fame. But does it need a church of hip hop, with KRS-ONE as the pope of hip hop? Dont think that what I am saying is racially biased here, I dont look toward the rock and roll hall of fame to provide my beacon of morality.

When it comes down to it, Hip Hop is just music- and isnt that enough?

[stale bread]

I agree that hip hop needs to have a museum similar to the rock and roll hall of fame. But does it need a church of hip hop, with KRS-ONE as the pope of hip hop? Dont think that what I am saying is racially biased here, I dont look toward the rock and roll hall of fame to provide my beacon of morality.

When it comes down to it, Hip Hop is just music- and isnt that enough?

i for one don't worship krs-1, and I think your assertion that hiphop is only music is valid...for you, but to claim that that is all it is is invalid, because for others it is a culture. that shouldn't offend anyone as there are many cultures. what bothers me most about hiphop is the double standard that everyone else holds it too. if you celebrate sex drugs and rock and roll, then why don't you celebrate hiphop hoes and money. I don't celebrate either, that's not what hiphop is for me, but people need to get off their high horses and start treating hiphop like any other music genre or any other culture whatever their point of view might be because
to do otherwise is just revealing ones self.

and if you don't think people get religous about rock and roll just take a visit to 'Graceland'.

[Stupid American Pig]

I think that we need to put less stock in celebs in general and appreciate the art more than the people. I am not singling out hip hop here for any other reason than the fact that this thread exists. Cultures are great- life needs it, and is enhanced by it. I love other cultures, I love visiting foreign lands to see, live and breathe them in.

[Emerald Tablet]

hold your horses
your saying criticizing is the same as being on a high horse ? i for one am not criticizing hiphop. I love hiphop ... I was addicted to hiphop as a kid. HipHop is bad like rockandroll

but also just a culture
we don`t have a temple for pop culture
it`s just i find that building a temple for a subculture is a bit absurd.

[stale bread]

I think that we need to put less stock in celebs in general and appreciate the art more than the people. I am not singling out hip hop here for any other reason than the fact that this thread exists. Cultures are great- life needs it, and is enhanced by it. I love other cultures, I love visiting foreign lands to see, live and breathe them in.

i whole heartedly agree with your post in its
entirety.



Emerald tablet, I never said you shouldn't be critical, I don't really know where your feelings stem from. sometimes it sounds like you think at a certain age one should stop listening to hiphop, you keep mentioning listening to hiphop as a kid and now you say you feel the same about rock and roll. whatever man it's on you, as far as culture goes, the difference between a subculture and a culture is what?... the amount of people involved?, the effect it has on the populace as a whole?, I don't really know but I know that alot of people of all races and walks of life are a part of the hiphop culture and that the effect that hiphop has had on the populace of the world has been a phenomenom unto itself. that doesn't mean that people like you who are not a part of the culture have to be so inclined anymore so than
any other culture/subculture that you're not a part of.
as far as the temple and krs-1, they don't speak for everybody in hiphop culture, it's not like all the hiphop heads journeyed to some place and built a temple. beliefs and characteristics vary even with-in
cultures, alls I'm sayin is it doesn't have to hurt.

[TVD]

some of these comments about hiphop in this thread are as old as 'America' itself.


this is a tip. stop trying to understand something you have prejudice against. it's oxymoronic.

I still love hip-hop. But I don't care for the current direction of the mainstream division (Crunk, Bling-Bling, etc.).

So I'll listen to the underground.

[TVD]

I agree that hip hop needs to have a museum similar to the rock and roll hall of fame. But does it need a church of hip hop, with KRS-ONE as the pope of hip hop? Dont think that what I am saying is racially biased here, I dont look toward the rock and roll hall of fame to provide my beacon of morality.

When it comes down to it, Hip Hop is just music- and isnt that enough?

i for one don't worship krs-1, and I think your assertion that hiphop is only music is valid...for you, but to claim that that is all it is is invalid, because for others it is a culture. that shouldn't offend anyone as there are many cultures. what bothers me most about hiphop is the double standard that everyone else holds it too. if you celebrate sex drugs and rock and roll, then why don't you celebrate hiphop hoes and money. I don't celebrate either, that's not what hiphop is for me, but people need to get off their high horses and start treating hiphop like any other music genre or any other culture whatever their point of view might be because
to do otherwise is just revealing ones self.

and if you don't think people get religous about rock and roll just take a visit to 'Graceland'.

Elvis was a hero to most
But he never meant shit to me you see
Straight up racist that sucker was
Simple and plain
Mother f**k him and John Wayne
Cause I'm Black and I'm proud
I'm ready and hyped plus I'm amped
Most of my heroes don't appear on no stamps
Sample a look back you look and find
Nothing but rednecks for 400 years if you check
Don't worry be happy
Was a number one jam
Damn if I say it you can slap me right here
(Get it) lets get this party started right
Right on, c'mon
What we got to say
Power to the people no delay
To make everybody see
In order to fight the powers that be

(Fight the Power)

[videzyrah]

The content of the original post sucks. Anyone who has the nerve to think they can establish an outline for the purpose / collective conscience or whatever of "Hiphop" as a whole has let their ego get to their head in an absurd fashion.

[androidlove]

I'm tired of tryin to figure out what hip hop is. I know I had an anti-authority crowd around me at one time. We did drugs and blamed the world for our positions in life. We created chaos and listened to angry music. I'm guessing hip hop is similar to this.

[vurt]

twizzle ma nipple!