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Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:53 am

hink, no matter how you put it, but it's a wellknown fact that quite some of the hottest guitar recordings are only happening to be that hot because PA drive came into the game.

Whether you need such an "authentic" sound or not is completely beyond the point. I defenitely wouldn't mind.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:55 am

hink wrote:but power amp tubes are still microphonic so that's what sets them apart from solidstate amps...

My power amp tubes aren't, not at all (Fender "The Twin", Boogie Mark IV).

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:07 am

Sascha Franck wrote:hink, no matter how you put it, but it's a wellknown fact that quite some of the hottest guitar recordings are only happening to be that hot because PA drive came into the game.

Whether you need such an "authentic" sound or not is completely beyond the point. I defenitely wouldn't mind.

how silly of me all this time I though the guitar, the player, the preamp and any effects made the sweet sound...and all this time it was just the power amp....oh well nobody has ever complained about my sound and anything I crank up I can control.... If you swear by your tube great, nut power tubes don't exactly respond as well to overdrive as does preamp tubes and they quite a bit more costly. If you're overdring them to hard (all tubes will distort when pushed) you're asking for trouble/ BTW Gary Moore has at least his last two maybe three albums with a podxt...but like I say my sound works for me...

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:17 am

hink wrote: ....oh well nobody has ever complained about my sound and anything I crank up I can control....

Well, ok, I haven't complained about your sound yet (just about your phrasing, if at all), but here we go:
I just downloaded a few tunes of your soundclick site - if THIS is the sound you'd describe as your optimum sound, OK! But a defenite "no thanks" from me though. Just something any simulation could do.
But in that case we don't even need to talk about the "perfect" guitar sound anymore anyways.

And seriously, I don't give a rats ass about how Mr. Moore is recording his stuff, his latest 2-3 records IMO suck.

No offense meant, but I'm just not into asslicking.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:20 am

And seriously, I don't give a rats ass about how Mr. Moore is recording his stuff, his latest 2-3 records IMO suck.

I really like the new stuff...but that's opinions for yah right...but it's all good...

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:29 am

btw everything on my site is simulation...sansamp and pod...my live days are limited to jamming lately anyhow. But the POD and sansamp work quite fine for me, and like you said even yourself. I live in an apartment building. Micing up a stack isn't an option and the benefits imo doesn't make it worthwhile. But I still have my rig and I didn't create it by accident, just read the detail I went to.

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:57 am

hink wrote:If you swear by your tube great, nut power tubes don't exactly respond as well to overdrive as does preamp tubes and they quite a bit more costly. If you're overdring them to hard (all tubes will distort when pushed) you're asking for trouble/

I don't overdrive my power amp at all.

It still adds the magical dynamics I'm talking about at any level above hardly-on bedroom noodling! I don't squeeze stage levels out of my 40 watts by cranking it up: I've never needed to run the volume knobs above the halfway mark, my pre-amp is set to leave plenty of headroom, and it still sounds louder and clearer than any other amp I've ever used!

The really critical point is: plugging my pre-amp into a solid state power amp is a completely different world: the guitar seems to loose all its character.

To risk an analogy; my guitar through a solid state PA is like unresponsive woman that just lies there like a log and lets me do all the work.. through a valve rig otoh, she becomes the type that will put her hand down my jeans in public, and wake me up in interesting ways!

hjack · Post by **hjack** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:02 am

platinumears wrote:... she becomes the type that will put her hand down my jeans in public, and wake me up in interesting ways!

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:15 am

platinumears wrote:
hink wrote:If you swear by your tube great, nut power tubes don't exactly respond as well to overdrive as does preamp tubes and they quite a bit more costly. If you're overdring them to hard (all tubes will distort when pushed) you're asking for trouble/
I don't overdrive my power amp at all. It still adds the magical dynamics I'm talking about at any level above hardly-on bedroom noodling! I don't squeeze stage levels out of my 40 watts by cranking it up: I've never needed to run the volume knobs above the halfway mark, my pre-amp is set to leave plenty of headroom, and it still sounds louder and clearer than any other amp I've ever used!

The really critical point is: plugging my pre-amp into a solid state power amp is a completely different world: the guitar seems to loose all its character.

To risk an analogy; my guitar through a solid state PA is like unresponsive woman that just lies there like a log and lets me do all the work.. through a valve rig otoh, she becomes the type that will put her hand down my jeans in public, and wake me up in interesting ways!

after checking it out I really am intrigued. The 12ax7's I'm sure add a condsiderable amount of presense, and obviously you have quite a bit more control the a standard power-amp..No doubt the best head I ever had was my boogie (

) I miss that amp. It was before the MK series, it was suppose to be based on the origibal and was called sob for son of boogie. But if the need arose I reckon I'd go with the 50/50 if I liked it...

Shane Sanders · Post by **Shane Sanders** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:20 am

I'd have to agree about adding the BBE to a guitar rig, especially if one is wanting to "up" a scooped-mid power metal sound. Like Hink said, it doesn't so much color the sound as reveal what's inherently there. The low end will tighten up in a way that only metalists will appreciate. You can feel the chug-chug-chug start to bite harder. Your palm muting will suddenly obtain that "bitchslap" you are after. My buddy had a rig to die for. Marshall cab and head + Greenback Celestions + analog Rockman chorus (very slight). Then when pushed through a hardware BBE at the last stage, it could make your eyes water.

edit: for at-home recording fun at low volumes, my Vox Tonelab is doing it for me, but not for a metal sound - more of a rich clean sound that will bite with a bit more strumming. It's a well spent $300. Definitely more exciting than the old Pods. Haven't played the PodXT.

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:24 am

hink wrote: after checking it out I really am intrigued. The 12ax7's I'm sure add a condsiderable amount of presense, and obviously you have quite a bit more control the a standard power-amp..No doubt the best head I ever had was my boogie ( ) I miss that amp. It was before the MK series, it was suppose to be based on the origibal and was called sob for son of boogie. But if the need arose I reckon I'd go with the 50/50 if I liked it...

You just get a presence and volume knob for each channel; I'd guess the 12AX7s are for the presence controls, which I set about halfway up usually. Don't automatically assume you need the 50/50 version though, unless you play the kind of scooped-mid chuggy guitar that need loads of 100Hz oomph.. I've seriously never had an amp that cut through a full band mix as well as this one. One Mesa/Boogie watt is worth about ten of any other kind I reckon!

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:26 am

Shane Sanders wrote:especially if one is wanting to "up" a scooped-mid power metal sound.

My sound is sort of the opposite: mostly mid-range.

Shane Sanders · Post by **Shane Sanders** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:28 am

platinumears wrote:
Shane Sanders wrote:especially if one is wanting to "up" a scooped-mid power metal sound.
My sound is sort of the opposite: mostly mid-range.

Well I understand. I use guitars as a "wash" sound these days. Half the time I end up substituting custom electric piano sounds for that, too. But seriously, a BBE is gold. I have the software version, and it makes for a nice gimme-some-shimmer-back all the time on many types of sounds.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:35 am

like I say it's like taking a wet blanket off your speakers...that line and an A/B made me lots of money. BBE's were good to boost sales quick, they sold themselves, they were cheap and the profit margin was reasonable...

Lawnmower Of The Damned · Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:04 am

With the right amount of tweaking you can get a great sound out of a Pod. Violent Work of Art uses a Pod (Or two) for their guitar work, and as far as I'm concerned their guitar sound kicks some major ass.

You can listen to all of VWOA's mp3s (All completely independant and legal) at: http://artists3.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Vio ... rk_of_art/

As far as radio single-type stuff goes, check out "Different Problem, Same Solution". As far as I'm concerned their guitars sound like they were recorded in a studio.

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