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mub · Post by **mub** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 5:20 pm

OK these are Live newbie questions I guess.

I read something that said that Ableton's step sequencing allows you to change resolution, and they give the example of suddenly switching to triplets. Can someone tell me where to get to this step sequencing?

Another question I have is about effects plugins. With FL Studio you can put X number of effects on one channel, and run whichever tracks you want through those same effects. With live do you have to set up each effect for each instrument? And if so, won't that lead to more overhead in some cases versus what the FL Studio set does?

Hope I am making sense.

Thanks,
Chris

soulkraka · Post by **soulkraka** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:30 pm

ctrl(cmnd) 1 will decrease the value of the grid...1/16 to 1/32 for example.

crtl 2 will double it...1/16 to 1/8.

ctrl 3 equals triplets

ctrl equals quantize off.

Read chapter 11 "Editing Midi" for further info.

As far as routing goes....click the little icons on the lower right of the the Live interface to make sure you can see all the sections. The routing options are right in the center(or thereabouts). Audio tracks have options for "audio from" and "audio to". You can send any track to any track so put your insert effects on say audio track 1 and route whichever tracks you like there. Read chapter 13 "routing and I/O" for more info.

May I suggest that you take a look at the tutorials that came with Live as well...this is all in there. The tutorials that can be DL'ed from the ableton site are also good and worth a look.

Ian Stone · Post by **Ian Stone** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:47 pm

Too generic. If it were any more plain looking it could pass as a DOS program.

kovacs · Post by **kovacs** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:51 pm

mub wrote:With FL Studio you can put X number of effects on one channel, and run whichever tracks you want through those same effects

Like soulkraka says, this is covered in the manual. You can do the same in Live - route the output of any channel into another.

You also have two send channels which are like traditional send channels.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:35 pm

also check out this thread and download everything there by the user named 'Hoffman2k', his templates are great for inspiration.... read the thread thoroughly.

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... ds&start=0

mub · Post by **mub** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:58 am

Thanks for the tips! Liking Ableton more each time I use it. Still wish the fonts were readable though

C\mub

kovacs · Post by **kovacs** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:57 am

mub wrote:Thanks for the tips! Liking Ableton more each time I use it. Still wish the fonts were readable though

You have obviously never tried FL Studio then?

mub · Post by **mub** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 4:58 pm

You mean you don't like the FL Studio interface? Well I don't want to start a tangent on GUIs here, but you have to admit that Ableton uses a strange font, something you wouldn't encounter elsewhere, and I find it very difficult to read. But I love their tips window and their window hiding.

FL Studio on the other hand is very readable and very pleasant to the eyes. The GUI difference alone is enough reason for me to want to start tracks in FL Studio instead of Ableton. But since I've never bothered with the sustain pedal workaround for FL Studio, there's another argument for Live.

Both programs need more skinning options. Live's color choices don't help much.

drez · Post by **drez** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:58 pm

mub wrote:
Both programs need more skinning options. Live's color choices don't help much.

There are a bunch of different skin colors for live already. Check out monolake's site...I think he has some for download. Matter o' fact, I think they are included in 4.

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:34 pm

kovacs wrote:You also have two send channels which are like traditional send channels.

You can actually have 12 send channels. The default template only has two but more can be added to the set.

kovacs · Post by **kovacs** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 11:16 am

mub wrote:You mean you don't like the FL Studio interface?

I love it! But I don't think it's more readable than Live, no.

lightshy · Post by **lightshy** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:17 pm

i actually like live's gui way better than all those hardware imitation ones. i'm so sick of knobs looking like real knobs and faders that look like real faders. i love tha way live looks. and i find it to be very readable.

well that's just my 2cents

nibbzious · Post by **nibbzious** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:52 pm

Live is very, very intuitive compared to other sequencer's I found. I love the GUI. I never used the tutorials, and I never read the manual. I never needed to and I know everything in and out. My box is still shrink-wrapped

(upgrade :p)

But SX... God. I swear I was carrying the SX manual everywhere I went. I'd walk out of the house holding that thing out of habit. I hated the interface. Changed my freaking shortcut keys every day.

Then I found Live 4.

Then was sucker punched by it's ridiculous CPU usage. Now I bounce everything down to audio using Live 4's Resampling feature. And I discovered this is faster and better than freezing because now I can take that frozen bit and chop it up and start doing glitch edits and what not. Or load it into the Simpler and start tweaking.

Yep, because people care what I think. mmm Live

lightshy · Post by **lightshy** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 3:08 pm

nibbzious wrote: Now I bounce everything down to audio using Live 4's Resampling feature. And I discovered this is faster and better than freezing because now I can take that frozen bit and chop it up and start doing glitch edits and what not. Or load it into the Simpler and start tweaking.

Yep, because people care what I think. mmm Live

that's exactly how i work too. and it isn't as time consumin as one might think cuz of live's routing options (

)

not to mention tha live has imroved my workflow tenfold. i, too gave sx a chance, and logic, and sonar. but i need smth that allows me to make music, nut spend 2 weeks figuring out what one freakin knob does.

mub · Post by **mub** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 5:49 pm

Don't get me wrong, I actually love the look and feel of Live except for just the one thing, the fonts, but I'm getting used to that too. The different color schemes I don't find very useful. They all look like shades of the same thing to me, ie. they don't drastically alter contrast or important visual elements.

Those of you who are talking about Cubase--I understand completely. Do you use Live for all sequencing and not use Cubase at all? I spent all day yesterday working on a track in Cubase, and not that one day is a long time to work on one track, but I wonder how much quicker I'd have worked in Live.

You folks talking about resampling and the Live CPU usage, so do I understand correctly that online the new version of Live (4.0+) is a CPU hog? What caused it?

I was experiencing some dropouts in my work yesterday. I only had 6 tracks of drums running through BFD all, plus Hyper Canvas' violin and a saxlab. I am running XP on an Athlon 3200+, a7n8x-e MB. I had some plugins like Rayverb, Loudness Maximizer, etc. I kind of tossed this up to my inexperience. Sometimes I can play the work straight through fine and sometimes not. Not much running on the machine. I do run a web server for local development, but I wouldn't think that would cause a problem. Naturally I've been through all the XP audio optimization stuff I can find out there.

C/mub

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