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rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:29 pm

Just wondering how I could get that cool flange effect on lots of the cure guitar fx. Stuff like that. Please help, freeware vst's if possible.

RoNC

Z3R0T0N1N · Post by **Z3R0T0N1N** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:39 pm

like on "a forest" ?
hmmm. maybe the kjerhaus (sic?) classic series? use the classic flanger and a tube amp plug of some kind, but not overdrive, just pressence. Maybe chorus plug instead of flange if flange is too much.

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:41 pm

is it chorus? i dotn know.. I mean from any of the cure stuff. They use the same kind of sound every time... Any help?

RonC

morelia · Post by **morelia** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:51 pm

I am pretty sure it is a flanger effect. But if you perfect the sound I expect to see a THIS IS HOW TO GET THE CURE GUITAR SOUND thread. I believe it is one of the best. Good luck.

Funkybot · Post by **Funkybot** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:53 pm

It's pretty much a lot of chorus all the time w/ the occasional delay like on the Just Like Heaven intro. Even on some of the bass tracks. Use Kjaerhus Audio's fantastic and free Classic Chorus (several of the presets will get you right there, just tried the first preset on a lead guitar track and it was already very close to hitting Robert Smith territory).

BTW the Cure often did use flangers (like on The Forest as stated earlier) but not nearly as much as chorus which is the effect you hear on everything.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 10:15 pm

Chorus, Flange, and Phasers were all used. Delay was also employed alot, but what you're refering to mostly is a slow flanging effect used with chorus.

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 10:29 pm

hard to figure out a slow flanging effect... tried to use that with classic flange, cant quite figure it out. I used to use a bunch of flange hardware stuff but cant figure it out now haha...

RonC

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:10 pm

You seriously can't figure out how to adjust rate & depth?

Get your ass back in the Tracktion forum, we can't have you running loose out here, m'kay?

crimsontider · Post by **crimsontider** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:15 pm

Buy a good Strat, digital delay, stereo chorus and compressor. It would be hard to duplicate without hardware.

SecondSkin · Post by **SecondSkin** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:18 pm

Sicklecell666 wrote:You seriously can't figure out how to adjust rate & depth?

Get your ass back in the Tracktion forum, we can't have you running loose out here, m'kay?

It's soooo good to have Sickle back, if only for the moment.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:22 pm

SecondSkin wrote:
Sicklecell666 wrote:You seriously can't figure out how to adjust rate & depth?

Get your ass back in the Tracktion forum, we can't have you running loose out here, m'kay?
It's soooo good to have Sickle back, if only for the moment.

If I don't find a way to distract myself from the matters at hand I'm gonna stroll into a McDonald's with a shotgun..

That makes the Free Ranged like Ron fair game.

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:30 pm

The Guitar Rig Database - Robert Smith (The Cure)

Amps

Ampeg VL-503 Combo / 1x12

Guitars

Gibson Chet Atkins Country Gentleman Electric Guitar
Ovation Balladeer 12 String 6751 Acoustic Guitar

Pedals

Boss BF-2 Flanger
Boss CH-1 Super Chorus
Boss DD-3 Digital Delay
Boss DS-1 Distortion
Boss PH-2 Super Phaser
Boss PN-2 Tremolo Pan
Boss SD-1 Super Overdrive
Dunlop Original CryBaby Wah Pedal

SecondSkin · Post by **SecondSkin** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:32 pm

From and SOS article on recording "A Forest":

"I got heavily into choruses and flangers on the album," continues Mike Hedges. "I basically collected every single flanger and chorus I could find anywhere in the studio and borrowed them from people with new units, and for 'A Forest' I think we had as many as seven flangers running on 'envelope', flanging on the shape of the sound coming in rather than as a constant. Aside from bass and guitars, you can particularly hear it on the cymbal crashes, which dive away immediately following the hits. You see, Robert was heavily into choruses — he had a JC120, and so if you had a U47 on one speaker of the amp and a 57 on the other, you then had a stereo chorus, which was great. We loved the chorus, and because of that I originally started playing flangers to do choruses until I realised that flangers were fantastic as well, at which point we actually started using the flangers as flangers. These made the overall sound slightly warped — nothing was quite natural, adding to the underlying atmosphere."

Then there was the tape delay, and plenty of it. "Oh, we were really into that," Hedges agrees. "With the machine you'd go into the left, out of the left, and out of the left into the right. The left would then go to the desk and the right would go to the desk, so you'd have two different delays on a stereo machine, and obviously when you spun it you could either have one delay working or both delays or fade between the two. That gave you the effect of it going jang-jang, jang-jang-jang-jang-jang-jang-jang — you could actually have a half-speed delay and then the double-speed one would come through it as you switched the other fader on. I also remember us experimenting with sound on sound on tape delays. There'd be a big rush, a big build-up of sound on top of itself, getting really messy, and that was great, kind of like a reggae thing. Reggae used that quite a lot.

...you have to get a sub to read the rest

SecondSkin · Post by **SecondSkin** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:35 pm

Sicklecell666 wrote:
SecondSkin wrote:
Sicklecell666 wrote:You seriously can't figure out how to adjust rate & depth?

Get your ass back in the Tracktion forum, we can't have you running loose out here, m'kay?
It's soooo good to have Sickle back, if only for the moment.
If I don't find a way to distract myself from the matters at hand I'm gonna stroll into a McDonald's with a shotgun..

That makes the Free Ranged like Ron fair game.

ahhhh, KVR therapy. I use it myself all the time.

lunarhalo · Post by **lunarhalo** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:59 pm

Guitar Player interview for your reading.....

http://66.77.27.43/archive/artists/thecure.shtml

help me on 80's cure guitar fx