yrg thread

[Soundloop]

The Mad Katz midi converter won't affect us. It's only for taking midi data from any source into the silly Rock Band world. I want to know if that Squire Strat 5-pin is outputting midi or not. The latest Fender blurb on the thing continues to ignore any mention of midi. Super weird.

I have a query on it at the Fender forum, and usually you can get an employee to answer you there.

Great, please let us know if you hear something.. it is weird.. bits and pieces of info here and there but nothing "official".

[annode]

On mine each of the strings are encased in rubber dampers at each end. These are necesary to attenuate the "double triggering" Im surprised to hear you are adding rubber to your string area under the " neck cover". Makes me wonder if we need to compare pics of our YRG string ends.

Yeah thats it! I didn't have any damper material under the sensor cover.
Now we're on to something new. I do have the black rubber under my bridge cover though.

And BTW my YRG ser.# is 50.

[annode]

Just for the record;
I made a few changes that helped to a degree to alleviate some of the string switch bounce and the hammer-ons.

- removed the strings sensor cover,(where the neck PU would be on a guitar).
- adhered a strip of soft foam about 1/4" thick onto the inside cover of that cover plate, and re-attached. It helped to deaden string vibration which causes false-triggers.

-When the YRG is placed into mono-mode by holding the midi-button down and incrementing the counter up to #17, strings 1-6 each output their respective midi channels 1-6.
- In mono mode, a hammer-on/pull-off, will only send a velocity 1 out until the string is re-struck. On VSTi which employ a legato setting,a hammer-on/PO will only trigger the sustain element of the VSTi's note and not re-trigger the note from it's envelope's attack. This helps so you hear the synth's attack only when you pick the string and not when you finger another fret on that string while holding the struck note at the same time.

It's just a temp thing as far as i'm concerned because you can't play chords if you wanted to, it's only single notes for leads/soloing/scales.

here's an example of the lYRG set to midi mode with legato set on VSTi synth;
http://home.comcast.net/~newdabranck/mu ... legato.mp3

[Elantric]

I do think we are onto something. I know Cliff & company are in China to resolve startup assembly documentation and procedures . I'll post pics of my YRG strings which include a pair of "Z" shaped rubber dampers at each string end under the Neck Cover. If yours left the factory without the rubber string dampers- I can easily understand your Double triggering source. My serial number is #00000041

[annode]

I do think we are onto something. I know Cliff & company are in China to resolve startup assembly documentation and procedures . I'll post pics of my YRG strings which include a pair of "Z" shaped rubber dampers at each string end. (24 pieces of rubber total ). If yours left the factory without the rubber string dampers- I can easily understand your Double triggering source. )

This pix shows a rubber strip on the cover and a strip under the strings at the bridge;

I have nothing withing the sensor cover.
Just to make this more clear to others...the damping material will only assist in false triggering at the string level.
The other "double-triggering" is written in the firmware.

[Elantric]

Mine is very different. I'll post pics soon.

[annode]

Mine is very different. I'll post pics soon.

Thanks..looking forward to it.

[lxm]

Re $250 for ztar game controller. Even if all it was is a game controller without midi that number wouldn't make it worthwhile for starr labs to produce. If it were a game controller only with no midi and was produced offshore I could see a number like that but Harvey doesn't have deep pockets like that and I doubt he's got investors rallied behind him to make it happen.

ermmmm it was the owner from star labs that posted the $250 on KVR i believe........ its going to be produced by another company in bulk hence the much cheaper price.

[annode]

Just for the record;
I made a few changes that helped to a degree to alleviate some of the string switch bounce and the hammer-ons.

- removed the strings sensor cover,(where the neck PU would be on a guitar).
- adhered a strip of soft foam about 1/4" thick onto the inside cover of that cover plate, and re-attached. It helped to deaden string vibration which causes false-triggers.

-When the YRG is placed into mono-mode by holding the midi-button down and incrementing the counter up to #17, strings 1-6 each output their respective midi channels 1-6.
- In mono mode, a hammer-on/pull-off, will only send a velocity 1 out until the string is re-struck. On VSTi which employ a legato setting,a hammer-on/PO will only trigger the sustain element of the VSTi's note and not re-trigger the note from it's envelope's attack. This helps so you hear the synth's attack only when you pick the string and not when you finger another fret on that string while holding the struck note at the same time.

It's just a temp thing as far as i'm concerned because you can't play chords if you wanted to, it's only single notes for leads/soloing/scales.

here's an example of the lYRG set to midi mode with legato set on VSTi synth;
http://home.comcast.net/~newdabranck/mu ... legato.mp3

In addition to the above...
I updated my firmware...don't ask... The newer firmware has changed the velocity of hammer-on/pulloffs from "the velocity of the last struck note, to quickly falling off decrementing velocity values which end up as a velocity value of 1.
This is true in mono-mode AND poly-mode!

To put more plainly...
After a struck note value of 50 or more, you hammer-on a note 2 frets above on that string, immediately release to the original note and then up again, back and forth.
You end up with numbers like this;
84,67,56,41,29,15,4,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1.

The original firmware I had looked like this;
84,84,84,84,84,84,84,84...

The usefulness of this change is dependent on the synth and preset your using.
Some will see the hammer-on velocity of 1 as a full-on preset sound. That's because the synth isn't seeing velocity data for anything more then note full-on.
Most synths at least tie velocity into a 'voltage controlled amplifier' and 'envelope generator' changing the volume and tonal qualities depending on the velocity values.

So if I strike a note with a value of 91, then hammer-on a step up, the value will be 49....almost half. You can set your synth sound to quickly fall off when it sees values under say...80. Now the hammer-on velocity will sound the note much more quietly and way behind your next pick triggered note. Now it doesn't sound like double triggers, one stepping on the next.

Personally i'd like to have a way to have each hammer-on/PO immediately send a vel val 1, but I guess they want to keep it more realistic for other styles.
Better then the old firmware!

EDIT: If you have some sort of midi-gate MFX or VST, i'll bet that would work even better and way less hassle.
,
EDIT2: I failed to get/find a midi-fx plug to do what I want.
Even this new velocity write is no way good enough for the majority of sounds i'm now realizing. If they don't let me turn that hammer-on off, i'm selling the YRG.

[annode]

I have Midi Ox reading the YRG driver.
Tell me how you'd like me to set it up so as to look for the data your curious about.

Looking specifically for neck location on/off information on a per-fret basis. When in a non-tap mode, sliding your hand up and down the neck should spit out SysEx information for each string independently, if it's at all able to be addressed as a neutral grid for simultaneous zoning purposes.

The real trick to that end would be to hold down at the 7th fret and then tap frets lower than it like 3rd. The 3rd should still independently be able to turn on and off while the 7th is still sensed as "on".

Mind, if it still spits out the info in terms of something like NRPNs, I'd be equally pleased!

Thanks,
- m

Sorry, I don't see anything but the standard stuff coming from the guitar.
No data from neck by just touching the fretboard not in tap mode.

[MRKiammi]

On mine each of the strings are encased in rubber dampers at each end. These are necesary to attenuate the "double triggering" Im surprised to hear you are adding rubber to your string area under the " neck cover". Makes me wonder if we need to compare pics of our YRG string ends.

Yeah thats it! I didn't have any damper material under the sensor cover.
Now we're on to something new. I do have the black rubber under my bridge cover though.

And BTW my YRG ser.# is 50.

what a minute"!!, there are different YRG models ???
owner of th yrg's, could we please have an overview/poll

please type
- # number
- is it with or without damper material under the sensor cover.
- your specific problem (e.g. is it double triggering)

[annode]

On mine each of the strings are encased in rubber dampers at each end. These are necesary to attenuate the "double triggering" Im surprised to hear you are adding rubber to your string area under the " neck cover". Makes me wonder if we need to compare pics of our YRG string ends.

Yeah thats it! I didn't have any damper material under the sensor cover.
Now we're on to something new. I do have the black rubber under my bridge cover though.

And BTW my YRG ser.# is 50.

what a minute"!!, there are different YRG models ???
owner of th yrg's, could we please have an overview/poll

please type
- # number
- is it with or without damper material under the sensor cover.
- your specific problem (e.g. is it double triggering)

Wait till Elantric get's back to us. If your keeping up with the thread you'd know there are two reasons for false triggering.
As far as I know Elantric's YRG is from the same lot as mine. I have #50.

[annode]

I'm noticing that most of my standalone synths see the YRG driver but fail to connect to it.

[MRKiammi]

On mine each of the strings are encased in rubber dampers at each end. These are necesary to attenuate the "double triggering" Im surprised to hear you are adding rubber to your string area under the " neck cover". Makes me wonder if we need to compare pics of our YRG string ends.

Yeah thats it! I didn't have any damper material under the sensor cover.
Now we're on to something new. I do have the black rubber under my bridge cover though.

And BTW my YRG ser.# is 50.

what a minute"!!, there are different YRG models ???
owner of th yrg's, could we please have an overview/poll

please type
- # number
- is it with or without damper material under the sensor cover.
- your specific problem (e.g. is it double triggering)

Wait till Elantric get's back to us. If your keeping up with the thread you'd know there are two reasons for false triggering.
As far as I know Elantric's YRG is from the same lot as mine. I have #50.

sorry for asking, but what are the two reasons for false triggering (software and no damper material or?)

[MisterAcoustic]

So no you can't create your own tunings you can merely select from the presets available.

Here is a post from Steve Leonard on the yahoo midiguitar forum:
"From my foggy memory at this hour of the morning....

You create custom tunings using fret select: hold the OPEN button down for two
seconds, the display will roll through all six trings current tuning assinments.
While still holding the OPEN button down and using the 12th fret as the zero
point, press a string on ony fret to 're-tune' that string (i.e., 13 th fret is
1/2 step up to F, 8th fret tunes down four 1/2 steps to C). Repeat the process
for each string you want to 're-tune'. Release the OPEN button and voila !!!"

Full post at:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/mi ... sage/30560

So, there is at least a claim that you can indeed created your own tunings. Since you have a YRG, try it and let us know.