Hive preview (April 1 update)

[hakey]

I'd say it's too late for scrapping that now with all the presets that people already did...

Well that's a real shame. A simple bipolar mod lane would be more useful, easier to use, and easier to understand too.

This Byzantine CC lane system requiring modsource selection which then becomes overridden in ARP mode etc, etc, offers no advantage, at least so far as I can see.

[Caine123]

No external procesing, just one instance of Hive:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/570 ... _pulse.mp3

I NEED THIS PATCH !

Just bought- First patch- 1 note held for 20 seconds

https://soundcloud.com/slic-5/hive-patch

I would like to see some indication of what is being modulated and by how much (like Serum etc.) but I love this synth.

THIS TOO!

[chilledpanda]

Thought I add this here for those flexing your Hive skills, this months KVR Audio One Synth Challenge features U-he Hive read more here http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 1&t=428709

[u-u-u]

I'd say it's too late for scrapping that now with all the presets that people already did...

Don't agree. Of course even fundamental things could be changed freely in my opinion. It's still just a beta. Of course it would be hard for some to give up good presets. But it's more important that the features are done in the best way possible. A public beta also is good for people to throw in optimization suggestions.

[pdxindy]

I'd say it's too late for scrapping that now with all the presets that people already did...

Well that's a real shame. A simple bipolar mod lane would be more useful, easier to use, and easier to understand too.

This Byzantine CC lane system requiring modsource selection which then becomes overridden in ARP mode etc, etc, offers no advantage, at least so far as I can see.

I find the CC lane easy to use... I understood it right away. I had to try it out with Sequencer modulation and also using the manual modulator to know how that worked, but I like it. It does not exactly become overridden. If you have Modwheel on the CC lane, each step overrides it, but moving the modwheel still modulates inbetween steps. It is a different and useful result than if they were separate.

I only wish there were 2 CC lanes

[hakey]

I didn't understand it right away - I was scratching my head for half an hour and even then I had to have it explained to me - it's a faff to set up and the added functionality is esoteric, at best. A straightforward bipolar mod channel would be more useful.

If the idea behind Hive is simplicity and ease of use, how does this overly-complicated yet underpowered CC channel set up fit in? What's the rationale?

[opalsofmyear]

looking to be my favorite synth. I absolutely love it so far. I purchased it and cannot wait for the release.

I have a few thoughts though:

-possibly a few more distortion modes. Just for creative synthesis. maybe like a super clean saturation.

-A transient shaper to add clicks to sounds?

-Have a delay ping pong mode that switches from right to left when both delay times are matching. (sylenth does this and its honestly one of the best features)

-A simple FM knob. Just FM the OSC(s) by a simple sine wave or something. Just adds some fun sound design capabilities to simple dance music sounds.

-A fundamental removal/emphasis control. In Zebra, you can add the "fundamental" OSC effect at the 0 position to simply remove the fundamental. Often, low sounds have the fundamental in the sub frequency area, and this OSC effect allows for the best low end control ever. When layering bass sounds, you often want to get the sub out of one sound, but a hipass takes out more or less sub when the note moves around the keys. The OSC is like a perfect version of the Surfer EQ, in that the cut moves with the note, like a keytracking function. I would LOVE to see this in Hive. You would be able to make super deep sounds that layer perfectly with sub-heavy sounds.

[Tricky-Loops]

Nevertheless, no guarantee given that whatever is to come will come before release of V1.0 and thus during the period of intro offer.

But then at least tell us before the beta ends which things will be added, so I can decide whether I buy it or not!

[bmrzycki]

Nevertheless, no guarantee given that whatever is to come will come before release of V1.0 and thus during the period of intro offer.

But then at least tell us before the beta ends which things will be added, so I can decide whether I buy it or not!

Urs has been bitten in the past with this, talking about things that might be and disappointing people when things don't work out that way.

I'd recommend if you don't find the beta, as it is today, worth the introductory price then you shouldn't buy it.

[Tricky-Loops]

Nevertheless, no guarantee given that whatever is to come will come before release of V1.0 and thus during the period of intro offer.

But then at least tell us before the beta ends which things will be added, so I can decide whether I buy it or not!

Urs has been bitten in the past with this, talking about things that might be and disappointing people when things don't work out that way.

I'd recommend if you don't find the beta, as it is today, worth the introductory price then you shouldn't buy it.

It's not that easy. Even $99 + VAT is a lot of money. If I invest so much money, I want to be sure that the synth has more than the usual bread-and-butter waveforms and filters (for which I have enough other synths). At the moment it's a good synth but not a great synth...

Of course there might be some rich guys here who think $99 + VAT is a peanut, and they might buy it without thinking about it but I'm not one of those...

[carrieres]

when i select a sine for Osc i don't have a sine for the sub osc when i choose like osc
i hope it's understandable

[woodsdenis]

Nevertheless, no guarantee given that whatever is to come will come before release of V1.0 and thus during the period of intro offer.

But then at least tell us before the beta ends which things will be added, so I can decide whether I buy it or not!

Urs has been bitten in the past with this, talking about things that might be and disappointing people when things don't work out that way.

I'd recommend if you don't find the beta, as it is today, worth the introductory price then you shouldn't buy it.

It's not that easy. Even $99 + VAT is a lot of money. If I invest so much money, I want to be sure that the synth has more than the usual bread-and-butter waveforms and filters (for which I have enough other synths). At the moment it's a good synth but not a great synth...

Of course there might be some rich guys here who think $99 + VAT is a peanut, and they might buy it without thinking about it but I'm not one of those...

If you want the "guarantee" of the final specs/features then do not buy it now, I personally like the way that Urs does the beta and reduced price option. Also there is a certain amount of trust here (well earned IMO) that Urs will deliver the most that is possible within the parameters of this synth. Urs very generously said on another KVR thread that Dune 2 would cover most of your synth needs, Hive is not and was never meant to be a super cover all synth, it's another flavour and colour that u-he hasn't done before.

[faun2500]

We figured because the oscillators are already easy to pan, we could just tuck the panning of filter outputs away in the ModMatrix. If anyone needs them

But instead of "tucking away" every advanced parameter into the ModMatrix (as same as PM and amp envelope slope), it would be more elegant (and user-friendly) to simply make an "expert view" where these parameter can be adjusted, i. e. all advanced parameters on ONE page.

I don't want to search every advanced parameter in the ModMatrix, otherwise the ModMatrix becomes totally overcrowded (it already is too complicated for me, and I'm not a beginner, so for a real beginner, the ModMatrix is overkill).

But then if a preset has those parameters adjusted someone using the "non-expert" page will be very confused, going "uh, I can't figure out why the sound is only on the left". This is a no-no in my opinion.

The idea is to put only such parameters into the ModMatrix that are rarely ever used and most likely to be "esoteric", i.e. do nothing. At the moment I think it's 5 parameters (2x PW, 2x Phase, Delay Wow). Plus, a few parameters that have drop downs have corresponding continuous Modtargets (Osc Tune, Delay Time, Filter Type, latter doesn't work yet). That's not really too much. (oops, I just saw that Filter Pan is not there… is it needed at all?)

I'm sure some things will be changed while the synth matures. We'll add stuff, we might even drop stuff (if no-one uses it). It's a matter of careful evaluation of feedback and experience.

- Urs

Hi, Basically, I like to make complex synth patches that modulate the output pan (with an lfo/envelope for example). Is the only way to do this to modulate the osc pans, together?

A simple PAN up the top right next to 'output' would be simple no?

Anyway, I gotta say Hive is the best looking synth EVER! I will be getting it just for the look!

[pdxindy]

I didn't understand it right away - I was scratching my head for half an hour and even then I had to have it explained to me - it's a faff to set up and the added functionality is esoteric, at best. A straightforward bipolar mod channel would be more useful.

If the idea behind Hive is simplicity and ease of use, how does this overly-complicated yet underpowered CC channel set up fit in? What's the rationale?

You set the step values as you wish, pick the CC (which will later get some # options too) and assign in the Mod Matrix. How could it be simpler?

[pdxindy]

when i select a sine for Osc i don't have a sine for the sub osc when i choose like osc
i hope it's understandable

That is a bug... I reported it too