FL Studio is amazing. Why is it so cheap?

[The Chase]

In case you still haven't understood BONES:

-ORION has all of the features of other sequencers, for 1/10th of the total price of all sequencers together. If a sequencer has a feature that ORION has too, it's because it copied ORION. In fact, ORION is like the chuck norris of sequencers. ORION came before computers, and computers were only created for ORION to be given to the human race.

-only BONES can objectively compare sequencers, because he owns the ancient knowledge of sequencing. Humans can only subjectively compare, except chuk norris, who doesn't care, and BONES.

-if an app has a feature that ORION doesn't, and it's REALLY too obvious to deny it, it can only mean that:

a) ORION isn't made for this
b) it doesn't matter, because BONES doesn't need it, and ORION does everything he needs

-WASP is the ultimate synthesizer, and nothing will ever match it. WASP in FL, however, is total crap.

you guys recently got v6 and we're about to get v7

Yeah and we all know ORION leaves a bigger icon on your desktop, and has bigger DLLs.

Note to self: call next release version 9, so we'll be way ahead others.

ROFL!

[Ildon]

In case you still haven't understood BONES:

-ORION has all of the features of other sequencers, for 1/10th of the total price of all sequencers together. If a sequencer has a feature that ORION has too, it's because it copied ORION. In fact, ORION is like the chuck norris of sequencers. ORION came before computers, and computers were only created for ORION to be given to the human race.

-only BONES can objectively compare sequencers, because he owns the ancient knowledge of sequencing. Humans can only subjectively compare, except chuk norris, who doesn't care, and BONES.

-if an app has a feature that ORION doesn't, and it's REALLY too obvious to deny it, it can only mean that:

a) ORION isn't made for this
b) it doesn't matter, because BONES doesn't need it, and ORION does everything he needs

-WASP is the ultimate synthesizer, and nothing will ever match it. WASP in FL, however, is total crap.

you guys recently got v6 and we're about to get v7

Yeah and we all know ORION leaves a bigger icon on your desktop, and has bigger DLLs.

Note to self: call next release version 9, so we'll be way ahead others.

ROFL!

Gold!

[diverdee]

In case you still haven't understood BONES:

-ORION has all of the features of other sequencers, for 1/10th of the total price of all sequencers together. If a sequencer has a feature that ORION has too, it's because it copied ORION. In fact, ORION is like the chuck norris of sequencers. ORION came before computers, and computers were only created for ORION to be given to the human race.

-only BONES can objectively compare sequencers, because he owns the ancient knowledge of sequencing. Humans can only subjectively compare, except chuk norris, who doesn't care, and BONES.

-if an app has a feature that ORION doesn't, and it's REALLY too obvious to deny it, it can only mean that:

a) ORION isn't made for this
b) it doesn't matter, because BONES doesn't need it, and ORION does everything he needs

-WASP is the ultimate synthesizer, and nothing will ever match it. WASP in FL, however, is total crap.

you guys recently got v6 and we're about to get v7

Yeah and we all know ORION leaves a bigger icon on your desktop, and has bigger DLLs.

Note to self: call next release version 9, so we'll be way ahead others.

Damn tony - i've given you grief in threads before for the appearance of arrogance (which could just have been down to language barriers & cultural differences).
But bugger me silly & call me wendy - all is forgiven/forgotten - fuckin outstanding reply there mate.
That is teh compleat funnay.

[The Chase]

Indeed. Gol has completely redeemed himself.

[arke]

I think even BONES is laughing

[jmh]

He doesn't laugh, he gives an approving nod which is a cue for everybody else to laugh. Woe unto those who don't...

10 points to Gol.

[ninjadroid]

I didn't know Belgian even knew who Chuck Norris was. Props to you gol, that was some funny azz shizit.

[BONES]

Well, version numbers aren't really indicative of how far something is, just how whoever counts their stuff. I believe there were alot of version 1.x and version 2.x FruityLoops, so I think it should rather count the amount of updates, and how large they were.

Same with ORION, although I remember fruity 2.7, then 2.71, 2.72, 2.73 following in quick succession to fix the things that had been broken by the original new version.

Dunno, I've never used an old version of Orion, so I don't know how far it did come ... I did find a version 1.7 or something of FL by chance, which I played around with a bit, and it gave me somewhat of a scale of how far it got.

Well it didn't have VSTi support or a piano roll until v3 so its had plenty of scope for improvement.

As for this $149 Orion, I can't find it, but I did find a $99 version which doesn't support audio recording. I think that would be best compared against the $99 FL edition, making the superiority of either product in the VFFM department difficult to ascertain.

Did you look in the shop? HERE. You'll see that whilst the boxed editon [which has been $199 for some time now, not $249] is unavailable you can get a download version for $50 off. $199 - $50 = $149

Well, then we have a standstill. Clearly, I think the built in FL tools are great --- and so do many other people. However, you think the Synthedit brigade is superior. Rather than challenge you on this, I'm curious: what standard of proof would you like to use to establish superiority?

What is there in FL Standard that you could not do as well with freeware? Is 3xOsc so much better than Synth1 or PolyIblit that you could not replace it? There are plenty of free alternatives which severely devalue built-in generators in every host.

I don't begrudge them making money, I just think that "lifetime free upgrades" is something of a marketing con.

Do you have any grounds for this? It seems you haven't effectively argued my refutation to this thesis. Nor do I think you've presented a sound refutation of FL's high VFFM in general.[/quote]
Sure. How much did audio recording cost you as a fruity user? $50. How much did it cost ORION users? $49. How much did it cost Fruity users to get a fantasitc, versatile, full featured FM synth? Plenty! How much did it cost ORION users to get something comparable? Nothing. How much will it cost a Fruity user to get a good multi-sample instrument player/builder? Whatever DirectWave costs. how much did the same functionality cost ORION users? Nothing, and we got it years ago. So what Imageline offer you are all the little things that you get in free point releases for most downloadable hosts but for all the big, cool, licensed from 3rd party stuff they ask you for more money whereas the developers of competitive products like ORION and eXT include them in free updates.

The cost of FM7, the competition to Sytrus from NI, is $289, vs. $179 for Sytrus. And if you get it as part of XXL, it costs around $75.

Yes but FM7 comes in a box with a printed manual so they are definitely making less money per unit sold. Its probably closer to the $75 IL get with the XXL bundle. TOXIC 2 is very damned good for $70 [or free if you are an ORION Platinum user].

In case you still haven't understood BONES:

-ORION has all of the features of all other sequencers together, for 1/10th of their price. If a sequencer has a feature that ORION has too, it's because it copied ORION. In fact, ORION is like the chuck norris of sequencers. ORION came before computers, and computers were only created for ORION to be given to the human race.

-only BONES can objectively compare sequencers, because he owns the ancient knowledge of sequencing. Humans can only subjectively compare, except chuk norris, who doesn't care, and BONES.

-if an app has a feature that ORION doesn't, and it's REALLY too obvious to deny it, it can only mean that:

a) ORION isn't made for this
b) it doesn't matter, because BONES doesn't need it, and ORION does everything he needs

-WASP is the ultimate synthesizer, and nothing will ever match it. WASP in FL, however, is total crap.

Yeah and we all know ORION leaves a bigger icon on your desktop, and has bigger DLLs.

Well I'm glad we finally got that sorted out. Although it is WaspXT we're talking about, right?

Note to self: call next release version 9, so we'll be way ahead others.

We'll probably be beta-testing v10 by the time that happens, given your recent record. Weird really, given that you license all the cool stuff.

[tony tony chopper]

Yes but FM7 comes in a box with a printed manual so they are definitely making less money per unit sold. Its probably closer to the $75 IL get with the XXL bundle.

because obviously a cardboard box & a printed manual cost $214.
& I was wondering why there were so many empty xbox 360 boxes on ebay..

[BONES]

Yes, let's ignore distribution and retailer margins and pretend that we're all stupid [easier for some than others].

[tony tony chopper]

yes, let's pretend you can't buy directly from NI's web site


top facts about ORION:

-there are only 2 music genres: music made with ORION, and crap

-bug: noun: any software behavior that's not like anything in ORION

-the brown noise is not a myth, but only WASP can produce it

-Microsoft licensed ORION, changed its skin, and called it Vista

-BONES only wears his funny glasses not to hurt his eyes when looking at other crap sequencers

-Kasparov ended up defeated by Deep Blue because they finally installed ORION on it

-Terminator's script is in fact ORION's manual, they just replaced ORION by SKYNET

[arke]

, 2.0

[keyman_sam]

Bones == pwn3d.

[arke]

yes, let's pretend you can't buy directly from NI's web site


top facts about ORION:

-there are only 2 music genres: music made with ORION, and crap

-bug: noun: any software behavior that's not like anything in ORION

-the brown noise is not a myth, but only WASP can produce it

-Microsoft licensed ORION, changed its skin, and called it Vista

-BONES only wears his funny glasses not to hurt his eyes when looking at other crap sequencers

-Kasparov ended up defeated by Deep Blue because they finally installed ORION on it

-Terminator's script is in fact ORION's manual, they just replaced ORION by SKYNET

Will you let me sell my FL license then?

[sdv]

Will you let me sell my FL license then? :hihi:

Yeah.. right. I don't think that's part of IL's biz plan... hence the title of this thread.