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Zaphod (giancarlo) · Post by **Zaphod (giancarlo)** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:42 pm

nice stuff

warrior545 · Post by **warrior545** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:51 pm

when will the new gui be in action ?
I'm not rushing anyone just asking people don't attack me ...

Shane Sanders · Post by **Shane Sanders** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:03 am

Nick, this is a completely cool tube emulation. Much better than the Tube Screamer from Simulanalog. I've got your plug-in going into the Simulanalog Fender Twin emulation and it's just incredible.

Is it my imagination or is there really some natural sounding compression coming out of this plug-in? I'm digging it a lot.

Just put the maximizer in front of the tube driver. Sweet. This is remarkable, even with dead strings.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:25 am

Shane Sanders wrote:Nick, this is a completely cool tube emulation. Much better than the Tube Screamer from Simulanalog.[snip]

despite the stupid name, tube screamer has absolutely nothing to do with tubes or even anything remotely warm (physically speaking). It's an extremely cheap and easy to build opamp+diodes overdrive pedal.

In no situation should it be compared to anything remotely tube like. It's just a cheap green stomp box.

If you're looking for something similar, voxengo warmifier and AIPL warmtone are close to the mark.

bambooman · Post by **bambooman** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:36 am

@kingston

..glad that someone besides me finally came up
with the same conclusion *sweat it*

eq22 truly does tubeish things,
but this thing really doesn't.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:41 am

oh no I wasn't saying this didn't sound like a tube at all, because it does resemble a simple cascade just a little bit. It does fail a bit and ends up sounding like a cheapish waveshaper instead, loosely reminiscent of a very very ancient plugin called RubyTube.

I certainly don't think this new plug is worth the ridiculous 14% CPU it eats!

The point of my previous post was that Ibanez Tube Screamer has never seen a tube cascade, and never will. It's just a cheap stomp box and should not be confused with any technology using a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_tube in it's design.

defjamm · Post by **defjamm** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:41 am

^^tube DRIVER...tube SCREAMER...

edit: too slow.

bambooman · Post by **bambooman** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:47 am

oh yeah.. and there's this confusion between these two,
driver and screamer ...

Shane Sanders · Post by **Shane Sanders** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:15 am

bambooman wrote:@kingston

..glad that someone besides me finally came up
with the same conclusion *sweat it*

eq22 truly does tubeish things,
but this thing really doesn't.

I really have to disagree. Nick's plug-in provides a particular kind of reactive compressed 'thump' on a guitar string that changes with both the type flesh/pick of the attack and the hardness of the attack. It breaks up differently according to what's being applied to it and it does so on curve that you can feel and control with playing dynamics. Additionally, this distortion is pleasant to the ears and warm sounding, imo. All that combined is 'tubeish' to me.

My initial enthusiasm wasn't so much to compare Simulanalog's Tube Screamer "tubeness" with this plug-in as much as it was to be excited that I had found a more desirable way to drive an amp sim that I like. My post is vague and Kingston isn't wrong to go down the path he did, seizing upon the fact that I'm prefering one over the other. But my pref was more about the algebra of replacing something that I'd been using with somethig new, not really about comparing them as equivalent in their design. Just to clarify.

kylen · Post by **kylen** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:20 am

I think there is at least one important difference between the physical Green TubeScreamer and the virtual one. The Ibanez stompbox makes the real tubes in your guitar amp scream in many cases (Fender guit amp) when the gain is just right on the amp you kick in the little green monster and the whole system is the tube screamer.

With a virtual screamer or driver we really don't have the virtual tube amp to drive yet (unless Amplitube or something else does it I haven't tried yet) so it's more on the virtual driver to get the sound. Maybe the laptop driving a Fender might sound pretty good - I might give that a shot sometime.

You guys that play guitar know what I'm talking about I think.

Spiggy · Post by **Spiggy** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:19 pm

warrior545 wrote:when will the new gui be in action ?
I'm not rushing anyone just asking people don't attack me ...

+1/bump. Looking forward to updates of Tubedriver/Tubemaximiser from Nick & TSV's skin(s) would definitely be a nice addition.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:55 am

Kingston wrote: If you're looking for something similar, voxengo warmifier and AIPL warmtone are close to the mark.

Tried the old AIPL warmtone demo again and I have to say it absolutely sucks or then it is broken. Incredible amounts of aliasing noise and other non-tube/tape related artefacts. I'm totally stumped as to why you recommend this old shit DX plugin.

Seriously, Nick's tube plugin here is good, even very good. You need to give it some more tweaking man..

I have a feeling that this turns out, yet again, as a "I told you so" thing where you maybe one month from now call me and say "Man! This plugin kicks ass!".

Cheers!
bManic

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:16 am

bmanic wrote:
Kingston wrote: If you're looking for something similar, voxengo warmifier and AIPL warmtone are close to the mark.
Tried the old AIPL warmtone demo again and I have to say it absolutely sucks or then it is broken. Incredible amounts of aliasing noise and other non-tube/tape related artefacts. I'm totally stumped as to why you recommend this old shit DX plugin.

Seriously, Nick's tube plugin here is good, even very good. You need to give it some more tweaking man..

I have a feeling that this turns out, yet again, as a "I told you so" thing where you maybe one month from now call me and say "Man! This plugin kicks ass!".

no I actually like warmtone better, it's far from a piece of shit with the oversampling mode. Are you sure we're even talking about the same plug?

anyway, I thought this new one sounded like rubytube with 10X the CPU hit (no effect on sound). Massive CPU usage does not automatically equal a great sound. You might be placebo fooled thinking so, but the sound stays the same. I know you well enough you probably think this is some kind of new and awesome tube emulation algo (because of the CPU hit), when in fact it just sounds like naive coding to me. he's probably got some simple set up and init functions running at audio rate (very naughty).

Urb Sergeant · Post by **Urb Sergeant** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:37 am

nope, doesn't sound like rubytube.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:06 pm

umm.. agreed, it's not even close to rubytube.

@kingston: no, I went to the AIPL warmtone web site and downloaded the demo. It sounds absolutely horrible but I really do think that it is broken.

Cheers!
bManic

New version freeware TubeDriver VST plug-in by Nick Crow.