android sucks (uloops studio 'pro' review)

[TristezaOrange]

You're going on and on about how Android phones had higher resolutions than the iPhone did, which is true, but the period of time is really only 6-7 months.

I think you're missing the point - big time. What I am saying is that all the iOS apologists used to say nothing about screen resolution (or even worse that screen resolution doesn't matter) until their magical/revolutionary/unicorny device suddenly got the highest resolution. Then screen res started to matter. It's a delusional train of thought and it gets irritating, TBH

[TristezaOrange]

So unless you root the phone and figure out how to compile Moonlight for Android, you won't be watching Netflix on Android any time soon.

Non-issue. I always carry a netbook around with me.

[polaris20]

As an IT guy, I solved this extraordinary problem with a $10 USB key. The rest of the apps I use for IT (Citrix, iSSH, iNet, Pocketcloud, Wifitrak) all work great. Your example is a non-issue.

I'm curious. Why are you carrying around a mobile phone if a 0.25$ piece of metal could solve this problem just as well?

I'm using a smartphone because I don't want to carry around dozens of different things for different jobs. And I'm using Android because I don't want to be arbitrarily restricted by a control freak who thinks that he knows much better than me what I want to use my phone for and what is dangerous for me and my device (pirated software, political statements, pictures of female breast warts etc).

Genius, did you read the rest of the post? Clearly not, otherwise you'd see why I carry a mobile phone. And the rest is a bullshit holier than thou stick it to the Apple man reason why you use Android. And it's a tired statement that's really misguided, because depending on which phone you bought, you were told which theme you were going to use, whether or not you could tether for free, and whether or not you'd actually get an upgrade in less than a year. Trade Apple's restricted model for another.

Luckily I can jailbreak the iPhone, and you can root your Android phone. So big deal.

[polaris20]

You're going on and on about how Android phones had higher resolutions than the iPhone did, which is true, but the period of time is really only 6-7 months.

I think you're missing the point - big time. What I am saying is that all the iOS apologists used to say nothing about screen resolution (or even worse that screen resolution doesn't matter) until their magical/revolutionary/unicorny device suddenly got the highest resolution. Then screen res started to matter. It's a delusional train of thought and it gets irritating, TBH

Yeah, I get what you mean, and that's super. Thanks for directing iOS user generalizations directly at me. What is uniquely irritating about Android users are how they go on ad nauseum about "choice", "freedom" etc when some phones don't get updated, only a small fraction actually are running the current version of the OS, and some OS features designed to be included by Google are locked out due to carrier greed. Sounds like Freedom to me!

The truth is, Android users are no less fanboyish/apologist than iOS users are, and Android has many locked-down problems of its own.

To me, there are two great phones: the iPhone 4, and the Nexus S. Those are the choices, and the only way I can be sure that when an OS update is released, I'll actually get it from the maker of the OS.

So unless you root the phone and figure out how to compile Moonlight for Android, you won't be watching Netflix on Android any time soon.

Non-issue. I always carry a netbook around with me.

Kinda difficult if you're sitting at the doctor's office/car dealer etc. isn't it?

[polaris20]

Hey TristezaOrange, weren't you supposed to conclude this thread, like, a page ago?

[Nokenoku]

The truth is, Android users are no less fanboyish/apologist than iOS users are, ...

There we have it. Both plattforms suck and their users are equally stupid.

[The Chase]

...all of which run like garbage on android, and eat battery life. I've had flash disabled the entire time I've had my android, so much for that.

Then lrn2android?

Flash runs perfectly on my phone. Flash games run as if they are native. A large portion of the games I play are from kongregate. And I never get less than a day's use out of my phone, and I use it literally all day. Only slow down I notice is when there are a lot of flash objects on a page that isn't formatted for mobile, where scrolling/zooming will become choppy.

BTW specs are meaningless.

Out of context they are meaningless. That's why I never appeal to specs alone.

Also, the retina display is the best display on any mobile device: http://www.displaymate.com/iPhone_4_ShootOut.htm

Are you implying "retina" means something?

OLED is superior to LCD in literally every facet relative to what makes a screen look good. The only advantages LCD has over OLED is longevity (irrelevant to devices you won't have more than 3 years) and manufacturing cost (hence cheap resolution). I only found the "retina" display impressive when it was a few inches in front of my face.

It doesn't matter how many pixels you try to shove in a square inch; you won't overcome the short-comings of LCD technology, which don't measure up to the contrast ratio, viewing angle, refresh rate/response time, color accuracy, and deep blacks of OLED, which unlike LCD doesn't require a backlight to wash the whole picture out. Honestly, after having OLED you kind of cringe whenever you see LCD, which in these next few generations we'll see less and less in monitors and devices and more in toys and alarm clocks.

[trimph1]

One person likes Android. Another likes iOS. Both suck at doing certain things.

[polaris20]

The truth is, Android users are no less fanboyish/apologist than iOS users are, ...

There we have it. Both plattforms suck and their users are equally stupid.

True. I'm switching to Windows Phone 7. Oh wait.......

...all of which run like garbage on android, and eat battery life. I've had flash disabled the entire time I've had my android, so much for that.

Then lrn2android?

Flash runs perfectly on my phone. Flash games run as if they are native. A large portion of the games I play are from kongregate. And I never get less than a day's use out of my phone, and I use it literally all day. Only slow down I notice is when there are a lot of flash objects on a page that isn't formatted for mobile, where scrolling/zooming will become choppy.

BTW specs are meaningless.

Out of context they are meaningless. That's why I never appeal to specs alone.

Also, the retina display is the best display on any mobile device: http://www.displaymate.com/iPhone_4_ShootOut.htm

Are you implying "retina" means something?

OLED is superior to LCD in literally every facet relative to what makes a screen look good. The only advantages LCD has over OLED is longevity (irrelevant to devices you won't have more than 3 years) and manufacturing cost (hence cheap resolution). I only found the "retina" display impressive when it was a few inches in front of my face.

It doesn't matter how many pixels you try to shove in a square inch; you won't overcome the short-comings of LCD technology, which don't measure up to the contrast ratio, viewing angle, refresh rate/response time, color accuracy, and deep blacks of OLED, which unlike LCD doesn't require a backlight to wash the whole picture out. Honestly, after having OLED you kind of cringe whenever you see LCD, which in these next few generations we'll see less and less in monitors and devices and more in toys and alarm clocks.

Blah blah blah anecdotal evidence. "Your wrong, because I don't experience these problems". "AMOLED is vastly superior because I can read the specs on paper".

When it comes down to it, a Galaxy S with AMOLED and an iPhone 4 with an IPS-based LCD both look great. Do you actually own either phone to be such a goddamn expert, or do you just read what you find on the Internet?

Your description of AMOLED vs. LCD is pure hyperbole, especially as it applies to comparing it to the IPS displays. There simply isn't a big enough of a difference to base an entire phone decision upon it.

[The Chase]

Easy, Tiger.

Blah blah blah anecdotal evidence. "Your wrong, because I don't experience these problems". "AMOLED is vastly superior because I can read the specs on paper".

As opposed to your objective and scholarly "I experienced these problems so therefore everybody else does," and the Apple-patented "Well I don't care about not having function X so it doesn't matter!"

When it comes down to it, a Galaxy S with AMOLED and an iPhone 4 with an IPS-based LCD both look great.

I agree! I never said "retina" or the Iphone were shitty by any means. They're both great. Read carefully, friend.

I'll be the first to tell you that the iphone has a sharper display than the SGS, in the way that I'll be the first to tell you that iOS absolutely wipes the floor with Android when it comes to audio production. And that the iphone is better than the average android of any given year. And that Android has more than a hundred times the malware.

Do you actually own either phone to be such a goddamn expert, or do you just read what you find on the Internet?

I had the Iphone 4 for 6 or 7 weeks. Now I have a Vibrant. Do try and keep up!

Your description of AMOLED vs. LCD is pure hyperbole

The bits about screen specs, manufacturing cost, longevity are factual. I'll fully contend that which specs matter most are preference - but personally, I feel that resolution (which, I'll grant you, is typically considered the most important spec) is still outweighed by the remaining relevant specs.

My comment about OLED taking over LCD when it becomes economically viable, well, I guess you can bookmark this thread and rub in my face if it hasn't come to pass in 5 years. I told people to do the same when I got my first android in 2009 (then <5% marketshare) and told them Android would outsell the iphone in three or four years. It took one. I guess we'll see.

I've been watching OLED tech for a few generations now and personally I think it's stunning that a hundred bucks and a carrier plan can give us a mobile screen that outperforms multi-thousand-dollar monitor displays, and any self-respecting technophile should agree.

There simply isn't a big enough of a difference to base an entire phone decision upon it.

See I disagree. Some of us are staring at these things all day and (going beyond what simply looks better than what), the less strain on the eyes, the better. Remember,the difference between CRTs and LCD was so large that it actually effected people's quality of life. While obviously that's not the same, looking into a screen for a length of time (especially in a dark room) can be very fatiguing and

[polaris20]

As opposed to your objective and scholarly "I experienced these problems so therefore everybody else does," and the Apple-patented "Well I don't care about not having function X so it doesn't matter!"

I clearly said my opinions were based on my experiences (i.e. far more than one phone, more than one OEM), and I NEVER said that something unimportant to me was simply unimportant. In fact, I went out of my way to state the opposite. Do try and keep up!

I agree! I never said "retina" or the Iphone were shitty by any means. They're both great. Read carefully, friend.

Likewise.

I'll be the first to tell you that the iphone has a sharper display than the SGS, in the way that I'll be the first to tell you that iOS absolutely wipes the floor with Android when it comes to audio production. And that the iphone is better than the average android of any given year. And that Android has more than a hundred times the malware.

Yeah, you've been glowing about the iPhone all thread.

I had the Iphone 4 for 6 or 7 weeks. Now I have a Vibrant. Do try and keep up!

Ya see, I read that, yet I find it hard to believe you could have experienced that, given your hyperbole about the screens. But whatever. And well I've got the iPhone 4, and my wife had the Samsung for awhile. I just don't see what you apparently did. YMMV. Samsung Vibrant? How's 2.3?

The bits about screen specs, manufacturing cost, longevity are factual. I'll fully contend that which specs matter most are preference - but personally, I feel that resolution (which, I'll grant you, is typically considered the most important spec) is still outweighed by the remaining relevant specs.

I disagree. If given the choice, I'll take higher resolution than AMOLED at the moment. And I did.

My comment about OLED taking over LCD when it becomes economically viable, well, I guess you can bookmark this thread and rub in my face if it hasn't come to pass in 5 years. I told people to do the same when I got my first android in 2009 (then <5% marketshare) and told them Android would outsell the iphone in three or four years. It took one. I guess we'll see.

You could be right but AMOLED, and I'm not saying you won't be. But any fool could predict Android's success. That certainly doesn't take a rocket scientist. Free OS + multiple OEM's + multiple carriers = no-brainer.

See I disagree. Some of us are staring at these things all day and (going beyond what simply looks better than what), the less strain on the eyes, the better. Remember,the difference between CRTs and LCD was so large that it actually effected people's quality of life. While obviously that's not the same, looking into a screen for a length of time (especially in a dark room) can be very fatiguing and

You're staring at your phone all day? Wow, that sucks. I've got two 24" LED backlit screens to do the majority of my work.

[TristezaOrange]

You're going on and on about how Android phones had higher resolutions than the iPhone did, which is true, but the period of time is really only 6-7 months.

I think you're missing the point - big time. What I am saying is that all the iOS apologists used to say nothing about screen resolution (or even worse that screen resolution doesn't matter) until their magical/revolutionary/unicorny device suddenly got the highest resolution. Then screen res started to matter. It's a delusional train of thought and it gets irritating, TBH

Yeah, I get what you mean, and that's super. Thanks for directing iOS user generalizations directly at me. What is uniquely irritating about Android users are how they go on ad nauseum about "choice", "freedom" etc when some phones don't get updated, only a small fraction actually are running the current version of the OS, and some OS features designed to be included by Google are locked out due to carrier greed. Sounds like Freedom to me!

The truth is, Android users are no less fanboyish/apologist than iOS users are, and Android has many locked-down problems of its own.

To me, there are two great phones: the iPhone 4, and the Nexus S. Those are the choices, and the only way I can be sure that when an OS update is released, I'll actually get it from the maker of the OS.

So unless you root the phone and figure out how to compile Moonlight for Android, you won't be watching Netflix on Android any time soon.

Non-issue. I always carry a netbook around with me.

Kinda difficult if you're sitting at the doctor's office/car dealer etc. isn't it?

Sorry if it came out like I was throwing generalizations directly at you, it was not my intention.

[TristezaOrange]

Hey TristezaOrange, weren't you supposed to conclude this thread, like, a page ago?

You're right - but weren't you supposed to get out of the thread on page 2 or something?

[polaris20]

Hey TristezaOrange, weren't you supposed to conclude this thread, like, a page ago?

You're right - but weren't you supposed to get out of the thread on page 2 or something?

Quite true. I'll try this time, but I'm sure someone will make a comment that irritates me.

[polaris20]

Alright here goes, attempt at final statement:

I personally prefer iPhone 4, after owning a Droid, my wife owning a SGS, and having to support multiple Droid X's and Incredibles. I personally found it to be less than stable, as did my wife (who sold it, and went back to her flip phone and an iPod touch). I hated the virtual keyboards, despite trying many of them.

I do, however, think pure Android (not the bastardized crap available on 99% of the phones) has potential, and for that reason always keep an eye on what Google is doing with their Nexus series. For me, as I said, there's only one choice right now for Android, and that's the Nexus S.

That being said, the tools I use continually on a daily basis for iOS are just plain irreplaceable at this time on Android, and I really do like the music/audio tools, as well as Hulu and Netflix. For someone who spends time commuting/traveling, I feel it's the better platform for me. It's allowed me to go from carrying a Blackberry + iPod touch to later the Droid + iPod touch to just an iPhone, for personal and professional use, and it's fantastic to have it all in one device, whether I'm remoting into a server or plugging in my guitar synth to record a few ideas on lunch break. The camera is better than anything I've personally seen so far, and that's important when it's the only camera I've got in my pocket.

I think the "choice" thing is overblown. Everyone has a choice, between two great phones the iPhone and the Nexus. Look at the specs, look at the available apps, choose what works FOR YOU. And be grateful the year isn't 2007, and our choices are iPhone (with no App Store yet), Blackberry, and (ew) WinMo 6. I remember those dark mobile times. 8-track recorder on a phone? Are you crazy!?

And no, "The Chase", I'm not basing my phone choice on the screen when there's a 50/50 split of which is better, but one phone does what I need it to do and the other does not . That would be silly for any of us here.