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brick · Post by **brick** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:48 am

Yeah I dont think the Frequensteiner or Brute nail the Synthacon's filter . Tough synth to get a hold of . RL Music had a couple of them for sale recently , but wanted absurd money for them .

Whats the similar filter you're thinking of for Zebra ?

Tp3 · Post by **Tp3** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:13 pm

Urs wrote:I think that, given there is no "perfect" specimen of any brand of synth, I'd rather do one that sounds best within the boundaries of the underlying model. Doesn't mean it should sound "off", just means it should sound "cooked to perfection". If the result is a better sounding synth, then f accuracy.

Oh man... can I quote you ?

Arif Mardin said that some 50 odd years ago, a technician taught him (with regards to EQing) that "If it sounds right, it must be right".

Fortunately, you're at the position of saying such thing without being ""

BTW

Not reading the whole topic, I first thought you added an "F" option in "accuracy" section of cpu usage, and I wondered what that is

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:41 pm

brick wrote:Yeah I dont think the Frequensteiner or Brute nail the Synthacon's filter . Tough synth to get a hold of . RL Music had a couple of them for sale recently , but wanted absurd money for them .

Whats the similar filter you're thinking of for Zebra ?

Ian Fritz's Threeler

(not sure yet though, but I like the idea of combining topologies in an unconventional way...)

brick · Post by **brick** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:30 pm

Holy f*** . Favourite filter in my rack . If that made its way into Z3....

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:23 pm

Well, hehe, I don't have one yet. As I said, I just like the idea. It won't be an exact copy. I do have some ideas that'd make it a nice addition though, I'm sure

knowix · Post by **knowix** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:59 pm

I'm curious how a Buchla oscillator would sound within a polysynth framework. Is the dual oscillator the source of bell like inharmonic sounds?

I still think something based on audio samples would vastly expand Diva's sonic range. Maybe emulating certain styles of vintage digital sounds could work a lot better than getting bogged down emulating a specific piece of hardware?

So sounds like all those Sararr based pads, or those wavetable "gdunk" bass sounds. And of course those dangerously crisp bells and chimes. So say two or three digital oscillators that can do basic wavetable scanning and modulatable waveform mixing. The sounds could be generated from fresh samples, meaning no copyright issues.

Though the fact that vintage digital hybrid synths didn't really work their analogue filters hard, means that maybe this type of thing is better left to Zebra. But perhaps it's as much a financial decision, as sonic. What's the crossover between Diva and Zebra users etc.

brick · Post by **brick** » Wed May 03, 2017 2:58 pm

Urs wrote:Well, hehe, I don't have one yet. As I said, I just like the idea. It won't be an exact copy. I do have some ideas that'd make it a nice addition though, I'm sure

Here you go Urs

http://synthcube.com/cart/ian-fritz-thr ... ption=true

pabloaldunate · Post by **pabloaldunate** » Sat May 13, 2017 7:44 pm

Diva could have better mousewheel support. Knobs behave a little weird when dragging with an Apple mouse.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sun May 14, 2017 8:20 am

pabloaldunate wrote:Diva could have better mousewheel support. Knobs behave a little weird when dragging with an Apple mouse.

There's a preference for that... check out the mouse options and set to "not rastered".

justin3am · Post by **justin3am** » Sun May 14, 2017 9:22 am

Urs wrote:Ian Fritz's Threeler

(not sure yet though, but I like the idea of combining topologies in an unconventional way...)

That would be lots of fun. The Mankato is another great filter along similar lines. Both benefit greatly from a polarizing mixer and some cross faders. Using a joystick as a vector mixer to combine slope outputs, is fantastic.

Switched Cap filters are really interesting too. Bin-n-tic, Bionic Lester. Certainly a different kind of character, great for aggressive sounds. Probably further into Bazille or Zebra territory.

I wonder if you've thought about primitive digital oscillator models for Diva. Like OPL, SID, OSCar, Syntauri, etc. Some have a lot of character and can sound super lush with nice filters. Maybe Diva's too classy for that kind of thing.

pabloaldunate · Post by **pabloaldunate** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:15 pm

Urs wrote:
pabloaldunate wrote:Diva could have better mousewheel support. Knobs behave a little weird when dragging with an Apple mouse.
There's a preference for that... check out the mouse options and set to "not rastered".

Sorry but that didn't work on my machine. Mousewheel jumps when dragging bit.
Will Diva get the new preset browser that you are working on Repro-5?

Elektronisch · Post by **Elektronisch** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:17 am

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:
alexpen wrote:
Future State wrote:Man, it's bothersome to see all of these comments about brightness. All of the other synths I've tried sound way too bright and sterile. Diva doesn't sound dull, it sounds warm, imo.
Regarding the "brighteness"... I honestly don't know what it is exactly: higher cutoff, more oversampling, different algorithms? But the difference is definitely there. Repro sounds absolutely great in this regard, Diva is not quite there.
Urs has commented on this. The filters in Diva all have the same ranges, which was calibrated to the Minimoog. The max cutoff in Diva is therefore around 20k, like the hardware Moog, whereas the Repro-1 filter, like the hardware, is closer to 40k. Hence why Diva isn't as bright. The comments may even have been in this thread if you want to look for them.

I actually a bit confused here. Diva to me always sounded dark and i always have to boost high frequencies to add some brightness in expensve of presenting some muddynes. Filters on Diva indeed sound pretty dark wich is strange, because for example The Legend wich is claimed to be almost 1:1 replica to minimoog sounds more cleaner and brighter. I know Diva doesnt have JP 80X0 filters, but i have played with JP 8080 and JP 8000 and theyr filters are way cleaner and brigter. Today im playing with Jupiter and Juno Plug-In versions from Roland Cloud, despite my amazement how close Diva sounds to Juno whom are claimed to be sounding almost 1:1 like real analog hardware counterparts i still hear significant difference in the brigtness and cleaness, Diva just sounds very dark.

I noticed this is also same with Zebra 2, Tyrell N6 and Ace. Repro, Hive and Bazille sounds much cleaner and brighter

Urs, maybe it would be a good idea to add a clean transparent filter or maybe some amp with EQ?

zosoaudo007 · Post by **zosoaudo007** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:05 am

Things I'd like to see in Diva 2:

- Better stability and reliability with this baby. Every time I open a project and discover that a VST isn't working, it is with 90% likelihood that it's Diva.

- Ability to define accuracy modes (draft, great, excellent, etc...) for real-time and offline rendering.

Elektronisch · Post by **Elektronisch** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:55 am

zosoaudo007 wrote:Things I'd like to see in Diva 2:

- Better stability and reliability with this baby. Every time I open a project and discover that a VST isn't working, it is with 90% likelihood that it's Diva.

- Ability to define accuracy modes (draft, great, excellent, etc...) for real-time and offline rendering.

1. This is strange, uhe synths incl diva always works stable. Maybe something is wrong inside your box?
2. It has this ability for a long time. Are you using latest version?

Soarer · Post by **Soarer** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:50 am

Does this happen with Ableton Live? Sometimes when I open Live my synths do not remember their settings and play some initialized patch but it never happened with Diva. Just wondering if it's a Live problem.

u-he

KVR Audio

Diva 2 Wishlist (purely hypothetical, nothing in development)