u-he Colour Copy - public beta!

[Harry_HH]

What did prunes do wrong?

Nothing. On the contrary, all the words, which have deep-meanings (double-), such as the "mint" are interesting, in my mind.

See:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=prune

[Delta Sign]

Feed the data from the audio buffer into a markov chain and let it dynamically generate the names

[hivkorn]

Can someone explaîn me , what is the difference with the other delays ? (Why bbd delay are special ? )

Sure.

BBD's aren't "special", they are just one of two common methods to implement a delay in hardware. The other big one is tape. I'll give you the TL;DR answer before going in detail:

BBDs work by speeding up or slowing down the signal in order to create different delay lengths. This speeding up and slowing down has the nice side effect of changing the pitch. So you can modulate the delay length (rate or rate+) without creating ugly artifacts. Instead, the signal simply is pitched up and down.

The technical description:

The usual digital delay uses a delay line with a fixed sample rate (the same you set up in your DAW) and the delay length is then determined by the length of the delay line (number or samples). Analog BBDs use a series of transistors that basically freeze a voltage for a short duration before passing the voltage on to the next transistor pair. (This is where the signal is delayed) However, you can't change the number of transistors used to change the overall delay time. Instead, the rate in which the voltage is passed from one transistor to another is changed. That would be like changing the sample rate in you DAW just to speed up the signal and thus decrease the delay time.

Wow ! Thx for your great explanation ! As soon i can i will try to beta and surely buy it ....

[glokraw]

Make it a little darker and call it "Deep Purple"

Then they could name two others:
Smoke On

and

The Water

Of course then more clamour for crunch and distortion

Why not just make the colours and names user config/skin items?
Cheers

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Was there a technical reason for the colors being ordered how they are? I almost expect them to go from darkest to brightest sounding, which would probably be closer to: Aqua, Yellow, Indigo, Green, Blue (in terms of the "behind the scenes" settings/results - don't care what you actually call each color).

I'd also second the FR for the more traditional mix-based ducking mode. After some brief usage, I didn't necessarily love the results of the feedback based ducking. Most times I'll want a delay with ducking, I'm going to want some barely audible reverb during vocal passages with louder decays at the end of each line. The current implementation still leaves you with a pretty audible delay during a vocal, which can adversely effect intelligibility.

Little GUI thing: but the bottom of the wood panels look strange because they appear to abruptly cut off at the bottom whereas the rest of the GUI has a gradient (including even the top of the wood panels). I think the panels would benefit from a gradient at the bottom.

That thing in the manual about Freeze only working for a few seconds in Cubase before the host shuts it down is something that might be worth pointing out in the installer if at all possible. If only to save users from installing the VST3 version if they're only going to find out after the fact they're not going to want to use it. Might save some support requests too.

[tasmaniandevil]

For some reason, the regen/feedback has started cutting out randomly in my Cubase 9.5 session in Cubase, both vst2 and vst3 versions. I'm sure you're onto this, but thought I'd give it a mention. Alas, cannot use as it is...

No idea why it would cut out with the VST2 version, but there is a reason for this to happen in the VST3 version.
Go to Cubase preferences > VST > plugins.
There is an option called "Suspend VST3 plug-in processing when no audio signals are received".
If this is active, then Cubase will kill the audio after a few seconds of inactivity.
If you want to use the VST3 version, I'd definitely recommend disabling this preference setting.
If this wasn't the cause for the issue, then please contact our support, so we can figure it out. We might need some more details about the problem.

[u-he-william]

Was there a technical reason for the colors being where they are? I almost expect them to go from darkest to brightest sounding, which would probably be closer to: Aqua, Yellow, Indigo, Green, Blue (in terms of the "behind the scenes" settings/results - don't care what you actually call each color).

The idea was to have less similar colours next to each other to create more interesting blends in between the colours.

I'd also second the FR for the more traditional mix-based ducking mode. After some brief usage, I didn't necessarily love the results of the feedback based ducking. Most times I'll want a delay with ducking, I'm going to want some barely audible reverb during vocal passages with louder decays at the end of each line. The current implementation still leaves you with a pretty audible delay during a vocal, which can adversely effect intelligibility.

The ducking feature isn't really designed to do what you want. The intention was to allow duck the feedback in order to prevent what Howard fittingly labels "sonic mayhem" in the manual. So it's a feature designed to high-regen scenarios. Might take some convincing in the office in order to add the more common wet-ducking mode.

[tasmaniandevil]

For some reason, the regen/feedback has started cutting out randomly in my Cubase 9.5 session in Cubase, both vst2 and vst3 versions. I'm sure you're onto this, but thought I'd give it a mention. Alas, cannot use as it is...

Another idea, do you maybe have a very small buffer size set for your audio driver, e.g. something like 32 samples? If so, maybe try using a slightly larger buffer size, like 64 or 128 samples.

[glokraw]

I will not learn a new DAW when I haven't totally mastered the two I use. You know, I have music to create.

You don't have to learn or master daw B or C, to make a track
you'll simply import into daw A. Some killer sound or feature will always be unavailable in whichever daw is 'A'.
Like Bitwig's gated tremolo Pretty unique
as a daw freebie.
Who has time to 'master' a daw(s), when basic tools allow for
making wonderful music? A theme, melody, mood
and motion don't require the minutia of a daw, just some
soul, the willingness to practice some instrument(s),
and then Gathering A variety of Sounds

The whole point of my using linux, is that any particular daw,
sound-maker, or effect, is just a tool on a long bench.
I almost never press the record button in a 'daw' app.
Can't even remember the last time I did. The bench is too
wunderbar by half

Veering back on topic, the Colour Copy background pane
looks very susceptible to being layered with the nice subtle
zebra stripes from the ZebraCM pane.
Cheers

[sleepcircle]

i really liked the feedback ducking, for the track i made earlier. i'd like to vote A G A I N S T changing it to basic 'wet ducking' which is easy enough to do in a DAW with a simple side-chained compressor and 4-channel track.

1. 100% wet signal goes to channel 3/4,
2. sidechain compressor with original signal in 1/2
3. mix back

[mevla]

I will not learn a new DAW when I haven't totally mastered the two I use. You know, I have music to create.

You don't have to learn or master daw B or C, to make a track
you'll simply import into daw A. Some killer sound or feature will always be unavailable in whichever daw is 'A'.

He he, tried that with Tracktion's DAW, because of the attractive comping feature. Can't do anything good w/o getting to learn a few things. And some can be really different.

Who has time to 'master' a daw(s), when basic tools allow for
making wonderful music? A theme, melody, mood and motion don't require the minutia of a daw, just some soul, the willingness to practice some instrument(s),
and then Gathering A variety of Sounds

It comes with time. And yes, it's important. Same with the synths and plugins. The more someone knows, the more possibilities can be discovered. It's as simple as that. It's possible to just put Colour Copy on a track and turn a knob or two. And it can be just right. But knowing more about it open doors. Same with DAWs.

Of course, it depends on the level you want to reach, what is seen as satisfying, what the goals are, etc... Every approach is OK, just depends on the context.

By the way, kind of back to topic, the English spelling of 'color' was adopted instead of the American. If prefer the English one. Looks fancier.

Cheers.

[drzhnn]

Found another little buggy. When the Freeze button is enabled, switching presets empties the audio buffer but keeps the Freeze button on, so only the dry signal is passing through. And if the Mix is at 100% this results in complete silence. I'd expect switching preset would reset Freeze button state. Or even better, apply new preset settings without resetting the buffer.

[Chris-S]

Bug?
The installer did not install any presets in my system.
Windows 7 / VST2-32bit.

[pumafred]

Bug?
The installer did not install any presets in my system.
Windows 7 / VST2-32bit.

From first post in this thread: “Also: We don't have any factory presets for Colour Copy yet - feel free to discover uncharted sonic territory!”

[tasmaniandevil]

Found another little buggy. When the Freeze button is enabled, switching presets empties the audio buffer but keeps the Freeze button on

Not a bug. Just a known quirk for which we didn't implement a workaround yet.
The state of the Freeze button is not being saved with the preset, because this would make no sense.
Thus it currently doesn't change its state to off when you switch to the next preset.
There are actually a few more of those quirks, e.g. hitting the Panic or the HQ button will also empty the buffer, and if you have Freeze enabled at that moment, you will also end up with silence in those cases.
But it's already on our list of things to think about, and hopefully improve.