Upgrade options..I've been out of the loop

[diverdee]

the old ones are the best

[pdxindy]

With the amount of time some people have complained on this forum, they could easily have earned the money to buy the boxed version!

I come here for the great advice and help that some people offer. There is some truly useful stuff here. But the amount of complaining about Mackie is unbelievable.

In my opinion, that stuff is spam. This is a user forum, for users to talk, assist each other, share tips, music etc. Isn't there an oficial Mackie forum? Maybe all complaints should be going there. Or maybe split this into two. How many interesting threads end up being taken over by complaints! Now recently two of the moderators here, who are very helpful, have said they are tired of all the complaints and the mood it creates.

I would be pleased if this forum was for users who want to focus on their music and how to use these great tools efectively, and all the complaints were removed and/or directed elsewhere.

[titanium]

Yes, yes, silence them all!! Silence these wretched ungrateful complainers who would hold Mackie accountable for product quality and performance!! The illusion of happiness must not be tarnished!!

One would think that KvR would be *the* place where misfits and malcontents can come and rant freely without fear of reprisal by corporate interests. But perhaps not, judging from the recent gang-mentality cyber-assaults on those who dared voice legitimate complaints. I'd much sooner designate the Mackie forum as the place for Pollyannas--no problem with this since Mackie pays for hosting it, they can edit the sh*t out of the posts AFAIC!

[Germ777]

Ok, you can find the quote here:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... highlight=

There on that page Beno says this:

"Online versus full is the same license for Tracktion as far as I know. But obviously if we add more 3rd party plug-ins to the full bundle, only the bundle people will receive them."

There ya go!

Koolkeys

But that also would mean that if I wait until T3 or T4 I will be buying the whole package cheaper than you people who buy T2?
I mean. I will be buying SRP for T3 but T2 owners would have paid T2 SRP + upgrade to T3 Right?
That sounds even more screwed up because unless Mackie allows an online Full tracktion+plugs you will have to go to your local retailer and buy another box which will bring even more angry non USA users if things are done the way it has been with T2.
The quietness of Mackie is truly amazing. It is as if they do not really care to loose any potential buyers outside of the USA
Germ

[pHz]

remember though ... this IS the RAW MATERIAL SOFTWARE forum ... not an official mackie one ...

slainte rob

[koolkeys]

Selling software in the box is the most common way that sequencers are sold. You can't download Cubase, Sonar, Logic, and many others. There are issues with all software and out of the country customers. It's something that is just excepted. But what I don't like is how people write it all off as Mackie is screwing people, when there is NO proof behind it! Yeah, I'm real sure that Mackie has just said in their mind that they don't care about foreign customers.

Hey, for ProTools, I just had to order a 6.4 to 6.7 upgrade, and also 6.7 to 6.9 will be included. That's not even a major release. But I say this to prove that it's just the common thing to do to have boxed versions. The whole world doesn't come to this forum when they need a sequencer. They go to the store and see what's there.

Also, anyone who thinks that those of us who stand up for Mackie are ganging up on them is just seeing things wrong. It gets old to see the same old gripes about Mackie, almost always unfounded. People just assume the worst and write about it day after day after day. So why SHOULDN'T we give the other side? Why is it ok for a bunch of people(usually with legitimate concerns) to come here and express a gripe, then always say that Mackie has screwed us, but then it's wrong for the "fanboys" to stand up for Mackie? Hey, if you show me proof behind your argument, then I'll take it, but if you're just blaming Mackie for the sake of blaming someone, then there's no use for that ALL THE TIME.

I really want to help people here, and share knowledge, as so many have shared with me. But sometimes the forum is flooded with crap, which I even participate in, and it can deture potential buyers. But in all honesty, I don't find joy in posting about this stuff. And i hold nothing against anyone either. I guess I just think differently from many others.

In the end, all this doesn't even matter. What matters is the music, and the passion. I really hope that nobody is taken away from these things because of petty arguments. Peace, ya'll.

Koolkeys

[headquest]

Now, re-reading that, I must admit, I don't remember it saying 3rd party. So it's possible that the Mackie plug-ins will be fore everyone. And thinking about it, since the rest of the suite is in the online upgrade, then it would make sense to put them all. Let's hope that at least the Mackie ones are available to all. Sorry if I mis-interpreted that.

Koolkeys

Thanks for digging up the quote koolkeys. It seems that your point about the reverb/channel strip was a misunderstanding on your part - appology accepted! (but don't go spreading vicious rumours about Mackie again, ok?!! )

Anyway I think that this strongly suggests as you say that the Mackie mixing plugs WILL be available to us all, which is surely good news! . I would add that I think that the new Mackie compressors are really very good - thanks for them Mackie guys!

[pdxindy]

Yes, yes, silence them all!! Silence these wretched ungrateful complainers who would hold Mackie accountable for product quality and performance!! The illusion of happiness must not be tarnished!!

One would think that KvR would be *the* place where misfits and malcontents can come and rant freely without fear of reprisal by corporate interests. But perhaps not, judging from the recent gang-mentality cyber-assaults on those who dared voice legitimate complaints. I'd much sooner designate the Mackie forum as the place for Pollyannas--no problem with this since Mackie pays for hosting it, they can edit the sh*t out of the posts AFAIC!

I have no interest or stake in silencing people who complain, legitimate or not. That is why I suggested having a clear definition of the use of two online forums. One can be for the 'misfits and malcontents' who want to rant without fear of reprisal, and the other can be for people who want a useful and functional user forum in order to concentrate on making music.

If long time contributors are feeling like the forum is too negative, then they will eventually leave. That would be a real loss for all of us who value this resource. So what you see as protecting Mackie, and ganging up on criticism, to me looks to be mostly people like myself who don't want to see the forum degenerate.

Thus I made a suggestion basically equitable for everyone.

Now I personally feel that the majority of rants and complaints are ill-considered, and wasteful. Calling a company, emailing the developer, building rapport, expressing oneself clearly and determinedly, these will actually have a good chance of bringing about the things one wants. Complaining in user forums mostly impacts other users. So this last paragraph is my personal rant.

In any case, I would like to see a re-defining of this forum to be about and for users, and making music with this software.

[mandolarian]

Are you volunteering, pdxindy, to moderate the proposed 'misfits and malcontents' forum? Or are we going to vote on this? How could we ensure the vote wasn't rigged? Would the misfits and malcontents be allowed to vote?

I just want what you want and more. I just want all the T1/T2 bugs fixed and 99% of FR list fulfilled. I want Mackie and Jules to enjoy undreamed of success and prosperity. I want Tracktioneers everywhere, boxed and unboxed, to be treated the same.
Oh, and world peace.

[ModuLR]

In any case, I would like to see a re-defining of this forum to be about and for users, and making music with this software.

that sums it up beautifully. I'm with ya 100%

[headquest]

@pdxindy:
When "Dimwit" realised that he was "out of the loop" and needed clarity, he started this thread asking what was a quite legitimate question to ask fellow Tracktion users, surely? It was clear from the title of the thread what the content was about, and nobody forced you to read or comment on this particular subject, did they? But what you have done is called "hijacking" the thread.

We probably all share your sentiment that it would be nice to just talk about the musical aspects of our use of Tracktion, but it's hard to be with somebody 100% when they make themselves hypocrites by saying on the one hand:

If long time contributors are feeling like the forum is too negative, then they will eventually leave. That would be a real loss for all of us who value this resource.

...and on the other hand..:

One can be for the 'misfits and malcontents' who want to rant without fear of reprisal, and the other can be for people who want a useful and functional user forum

...which is surely pretty negative, isn't it?

I don't recal large numbers of people ever claiming that Mackie "screwed" them (maybe one or two ), although I did notice there is quite a bit of confusion about the marketing aspects of T2. Mackie could of course stop that instantly if they released some clear communication and answered the various questions in a cohesive manner.

[Germ777]

remember though ... this IS the RAW MATERIAL SOFTWARE forum ... not an official mackie one ...

slainte rob

You are totally right on that
But it is more fun to post complaints here as no one answers posts in the Mackie forum

Germ

[jalapeno]

remember though ... this IS the RAW MATERIAL SOFTWARE forum ... not an official mackie one ...

slainte rob

Hey Tracktion users! Be sure to check out the independent Tracktion Users' Forum over at KvR Audio!

Nothing but tumbleweeds and sound of the breeze in the Mackie Forum, even Mackie are more active in this Forum than their own.

x2

[Espy]

I see it this way:

If you have a good setup with good vsts and you don't plan on changing anything much except the host, you get T2 for 20$, which is simply ridiculously cheap. Seriously, that is one hell of a deal.

If you go for the bundled version, you obviously want the plugins, and these are plugins and samples that cost money, and would cost more individually without T2 than they do in the bundle with it. Also a good deal. Come on, all that stuff plus T2 for 90$? Madness!

All I want now is a way to get a rebate on the boxed bundle in Germany. Or a way to legally download the 1GB+ bundle Torrent, anyone?

[Lunch Money]

I wish. Haven't heard about Canadian rebate yet, either.