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[Mutant]

If your plug is modular you might want to consider selling them piece by piece as well.

I think this is an excellent idea - i don't need more clean amps (no matter how good they are).

[Midiworks]

Ampsimulators are what their very name says: SIMULATION of a real thing. They can become eventualy so close to the real thing to sound very alike, but they cannot be better, because that means different, and then they are original, not simulations anymore.

They will be different, but why not better ?

It has be proven that it is possible to build tube amp that will sound different than currently available amps, and that can become fashionable and more appealing to wide audience than amps that are stadard on the market. If what you were saying was true, no one would use old Fenders or Marshalls because "there are new and better amps out there".

Very good point.
Real things are oganic, they have a soul a smell a touch,
I can not imagine to use a laptop on stage or in the practice room and pretend "thats my amp",
no matter how good it might sound.

Even if there would be emulations coming close to unrecognizable, (And I have no doubt it will happen at some point) it is dependent on evolution and popularity of real stuff, so real stuff will never be replaced at the end.

Amen

But for recording they will.

[glurgle]

If your plug is modular you might want to consider selling them piece by piece as well.

I think this is an excellent idea - i don't need more clean amps (no matter how good they are).

I also really like this idea, I have no idea what a reasonable price for a single amp model would be though. Hopefully there would be a discount for buying larger sets (ie 10% off 3 amps, %15 off 5 or something like that)

[Midiworks]

If your plug is modular you might want to consider selling them piece by piece as well.
Somehow I see a lot of advantages in it for you on this KVR market.

The distorton engine is a real beast or bitch.
All the modeling is done with it.

It can sound great or really bad...
Its s bit like making synth patches,
you must have a good day to make a great sound
a great song or painting.

Maybe I will do a few signature amps,
limited editions...
(or even custom made ones)

[Midiworks]

If your plug is modular you might want to consider selling them piece by piece as well.

I think this is an excellent idea - i don't need more clean amps (no matter how good they are).

I also really like this idea, I have no idea what a reasonable price for a single amp model would be though. Hopefully there would be a discount for buying larger sets (ie 10% off 3 amps, %15 off 5 or something like that)

I think there must be a universal and great product.

But a limited signature or custom amp would be cool, but can not be cheap.
You would get a unique amp/sound,
that is just yours or limited to only a few.

A non yet existing value in the software McDonalds world.

[Midiworks]

If your plug is modular you might want to consider selling them piece by piece as well.

I think this is an excellent idea - i don't need more clean amps (no matter how good they are).

Isnt that what you thought after you bought AT1, AT2 , GR1, GR2, GTR ?

My clean sounds are as good as the heavy ones.

[heeb]

It has be proven that it is possible to build tube amp that will sound different than currently available amps, and that can become fashionable and more appealing to wide audience than amps that are stadard on the market. If what you were saying was true, no one would use old Fenders or Marshalls because "there are new and better amps out there".

Very good point.
Real things are oganic, they have a soul a smell a touch,
I can not imagine to use a laptop on stage or in the practice room and pretend "thats my amp",
no matter how good it might sound.

Digital amps already exist. Don't need a laptop for that. My prediction is that one day they will sound as good or even better than any tubeamp ever could. Why? Because digital techniques give designers virtually unlimited freedom to build the best amps imaginable. At the same time there will always be tube freaks, who stick to the old gear, but eventually not because of tone, but out of nostalgia (although they themselves might see it differently). Don't underestimate the psychological effect that playing a tube amp has, but that feeling will be limited to the player, because sound-wise, the tube amp will no longer sound better. Maybe this feeling will lead to better playing in the guitarist, that's entirely possible. But there will be a time when digital amps no longer are the underdog, tone-wise.

[Mutant]

If your plug is modular you might want to consider selling them piece by piece as well.

I think this is an excellent idea - i don't need more clean amps (no matter how good they are).

Isnt that what you thought after you bought AT1, AT2 , GR1, GR2, GTR ?

My clean sounds are as good as the heavy ones.

I only have Amplitube LE which came free with my soundcard i would never buy a virtual amp at their (IK,NI,WAVES) prices.

Not because these amps are all crap (GR2 sounds good to me) but because i am a poor unemployed musician from eastern Europe and i would starve to death if i bought all these amps.

I think that for clean sounds freeware amps are good enough.

[Vervil]

Ampsimulators are what their very name says: SIMULATION of a real thing. They can become eventualy so close to the real thing to sound very alike, but they cannot be better, because that means different, and then they are original, not simulations anymore.

They will be different, but why not better ?

Hmmm... I thought it is obvious. Good is subjective. So it is possible that someone will like synthetic sound over natural, I do like NIN much more than Deep Purple, and I guess there is a lot of people thinking the same way. So nothing stands in the way of creativity and producing new interesting sounds. But whole emulation business is about people that want familiar sound od tube amps they have heard themselves or on the their favorite records, but without a hassle of mic-ing an amp, or paying for expensive tube amp. So closer to that sound, the better. Telling that it can be better is not possible, becausetube amp is benchmark for good or bad. Again, it is like telling that someone will produce water synthetically that is more water alike than real water. Or that there is a video game of driving race car that is more realistic than sitting in car and racing for real.

Subjectively it is naturally possible that for instance you can make some kind of guitar modelling and that according to one person's taste, he may like more sound of your simulation recorded than some real amp miced. But than it is not about emulating, but about tastes, and it is whole different story

And finaly you will make some money because eventually your emulation is closer to the real thing than your competitors. If there would be no clear idea how real amp sounds and feels there would be no room for you because people would be happy with what's already out there. "Why do we need Midiworks amp sim? My GR2 sounds better to me than real amp". So bussiness with ampsimulations actually NEEDS tube amps to change and evolve so it is possible to make new different sims and sell them to the people in search for the perfect tone. If your ampsim is too good and "Better than the real thing" than there would be no "Soundspectral Amp 2 update" to sell

Digital amps already exist. Don't need a laptop for that. My prediction is that one day they will sound as good or even better than any tubeamp ever could. Why? Because digital techniques give designers virtually unlimited freedom to build the best amps imaginable. At the same time there will always be tube freaks, who stick to the old gear, but eventually not because of tone, but out of nostalgia (although they themselves might see it differently).

It seems that you are not getting the big picture of whole thing. If something needs to be interesting and appealing to people, it must evolve and change. Design of amps is a science very serious and delicate one. Simulation comes after. You have original artist, making new music, and then you have other coming making music in similar style. What are you saying? That originality and evolution would not be needed anymore? We can use our amp sims and have existing tones emulating tube gear and that is end of it?
You keep forgetting that emulation to survive needs real thing to exist so it can emulate it, amp world is not a static picture but living thing, constantly changing, you can't take photo of it and say "That is it, we have it now here captured, so we don't need it anymore".

Don't underestimate the psychological effect that playing a tube amp has, but that feeling will be limited to the player, because sound-wise, the tube amp will no longer sound better.

How many time in your life have you spent playing live in front of people with guitar and amp compared to playing in front of computer and a plugin, sincerely? Someone having enough experience with playing amp would not think in this way, no offense.

[wilkoryte]

hello

here is a little demo made with this new toy, the amp tone is maybe a bit too "heavy" for me but it was fun to play

xmas demo

thanks midiworks

[Midiworks]

Cool Wilkoryte !

[Lunch Money]

I do like NIN much more than Deep Purple, and I guess there is a lot of people thinking the same way.

Trent Reznor used the POD on his latest album.

Clean amps... that's where it's at! I have enough heavy amps.

Greg

[chrishurley]

Here's a clip of a song that my band recorded for about a year, about two years ago... :)

I've been recutting the guitar tracks over and over (for fun!?) using various devices. This time its with xmas tube. My apologies in advance for the roughness of it. These are just scratch tracks:

http://annex.ax84.com/home123005a.mp3
http://annex.ax84.com/home123005b.mp3 ("less bass and more tops")

These were done with a bit of help from Rene in tweaking his amp.

[chrishurley]

I do like NIN much more than Deep Purple, and I guess there is a lot of people thinking the same way.

Trent Reznor used the POD on his latest album. ;)

Clean amps... that's where it's at! I have enough heavy amps. :D

Greg

I thought I read where he was using NativeInstruments stuff? They asked him why he wasn't using Guitar Rig and he said that he did some, but some of what he used was crazy sounding stuff that he routed out to a real cab and mic'd to bring it back to earth a little.

[heeb]

Don't underestimate the psychological effect that playing a tube amp has, but that feeling will be limited to the player, because sound-wise, the tube amp will no longer sound better.

How many time in your life have you spent playing live in front of people with guitar and amp compared to playing in front of computer and a plugin, sincerely? Someone having enough experience with playing amp would not think in this way, no offense.

I was talking about some time in the future, where a digital amp will be totally able to exactly mimic any tube amp; when there will be no perceivable difference in speaker movement between the two; and hence there will be no audible difference, simply because perceivably, there will be none. Give me one reason why there would have to exist such a difference. Just because tubes possess some "magic" property or properties?

And yes, I do have years of experience in playing electric guitar through real amps. More than 25 years, to be exact.