Korg updates its Legacy Collection with a new Arp Odyssey emulation

[Charlie Firpo]

Interesting discussion! As i wrote before. I read somewhere that 128 bit won't propably happen in a long long time (the article even mentioned in our lifetime). So we're probably gonna be stuck at 64bit for a while. So that means we all can relax and enjoy our 32bit plugins with jbridge if that works. Some 32bit plugins are like old friends.

[ENV1]

Also, in addressing your comment about people "demanding" 64 bit. Well, there was a good reason for that.

Of course there was. Nobody is denying that. What i have a problem with is only the argumentation itself, i.e. the choice of the arguments and how they are being presented in this particular context, (some of them anyway), because what it does in this case is leading us straight into pot/kettle territory.

So its not the fact that they did that. There were good reasons for that, i mean thats clear. Its only the fact that some people seem to think it was alright when it served 64bit users but its not alright when it serves 32bit users. Thats the part im having the problem with. Because like i said, if everyone had operated with such an attitude when 64bit was in the minority, (and for all i know it may still be), then it would never have been more than a curiosity because nobody in their right (business oriented) mind would have wanted to 'waste precious resources' on something which might never have become fully adopted by the masses. (Just look at VST3. Its totally bleeding edge and more or less just bleeding to death.)

[BassMasterK]

Also, in addressing your comment about people "demanding" 64 bit. Well, there was a good reason for that.

Of course there was. Nobody is denying that. What i have a problem with is only the argumentation itself, i.e. the choice of the arguments and how they are being presented in this particular context, (some of them anyway), because what it does in this case is leading us straight into pot/kettle territory.

So its not the fact that they did that. There were good reasons for that, i mean thats clear. Its only the fact that some people seem to think it was alright when it served 64bit users but its not alright when it serves 32bit users. Thats the part im having the problem with. Because like i said, if everyone had operated with such an attitude when 64bit was in the minority, (and for all i know it may still be), then it would never have been more than a curiosity because nobody in their right (business oriented) mind would have wanted to 'waste precious resources' on something which might never have become fully adopted by the masses. (Just look at VST3. Its totally bleeding edge and more or less just bleeding to death.)

I say this as someone who is running Win 7 on my DAW, and almost didn't buy HALion 6 because when it came out they said they weren't sure they were going to support Win 7. I feel your pain.

I think the problem is and this is something that has always and will continue to always be the case is when the minority people/users are supporting innovation, companies are interested and financially motivated. When the minority of people/users are supporting a disappearing platform, even if it is still perfectly functional, companies aren't as financially motivated to spend resources dealing with it. When movies on DVD's became the standard, people with VHS players were upset when a new movie only came out on DVD. Same for DVD owners when Blu-Ray became the standard.

Some music artists don't even press CD's anymore. I have a huge CD collection and like to have my music on a physical medium I actually own. I have friends who can't even fathom such a thing. I don't get angry at the artist, or my friends, I accept that it is simply the direction we are moving and at some point my choices may be limited if I am not willing to move to a new standard. And none of the examples I gave involve requiring continued support in the form of bug fixes and things that software developers have to keep up with.

So I guess what I am trying to recommend is to let go of the anger and resentment from people who say "why would anyone support 32 bit?" They are simply coming from a more forward thinking point of view, one that is supported by the industry by and large and unfortunately for you it is the point of view that will continue to grow and dominate future product development until a new platform comes out. I know I will be dealing with the same issue with my Win 7 machine in the near future.

Peace and happy music making for 2018.

[Examigan]

Interesting discussion! As i wrote before. I read somewhere that 128 bit won't propably happen in a long long time (the article even mentioned in our lifetime). So we're probably gonna be stuck at 64bit for a while. So that means we all can relax and enjoy our 32bit plugins with jbridge if that works. Some 32bit plugins are like old friends.

The only reason I use any 32-bit plugins (and actually now, it's only reason) is if I want to re-mix something where I used OP-X Pro II in an older project before it went 64-bit.

[c_voltage]

Sorry i did not watch topic, do exist Arp Odyssey demoversion ? Can't found.

[braj]

Sorry i did not watch topic, do exist Arp Odyssey demoversion ? Can't found.

Nope, no demo.

[BONES]

[I have a huge CD collection and like to have my music on a physical medium I actually own. I have friends who can't even fathom such a thing. I don't get angry at the artist, or my friends, I accept that it is simply the direction we are moving and at some point my choices may be limited if I am not willing to move to a new standard.

The difference is that the new standard doesn't negate the old. Long after the last one is pressed, your CD collection will still work. It's not an either/or situation because 17 years after iTunes appeared, my brand new car still came with a CD player and I can still go into a shop and buy a new CD player if I want one. OTOH, it is only a few years since the first 64 bit hosts appeared and already we're seeing support for 32 bit fall away.

So I guess what I am trying to recommend is to let go of the anger and resentment from people who say "why would anyone support 32 bit?" They are simply coming from a more forward thinking point of view

No, they're not, they are just coming from a more self-absorbed point-of-view, where if it doesn't affect them, they don't give a toss. A place where if it costs someone like me hundreds of hours of pain, that is less important than their latest fancy toy being delayed by a day so that multiple versions can be compiled.

[Stefken]

It's just business and IT.
Things move fast in IT.

I recently bought a new mediaplayer because the old could not play the new H265 standard.
Did I have to? No, the 'old' movies play just fine on my previous player. But if you want to enjoy the benefits of the new toys, you have to upgrade.

In the past I had to buy a new computer every 3 years to stay up to date. Now it's more like 6 years ( for generic use). So it was worse in the past.

[braj]

I don't know what is more 'self absorbed', expecting people to deal with changes in technology, or expecting to be catered to because you refuse to change. You can still use your 32 bit plugins on a 64 bit system if you use a bit bridge. If you expect new plugins to work with your 15 year old DAW/computer combo without a bit of work on your end, forgive me if I think you are the one with 'self-absorbed' issues.

[ATS]

I don't know what is more 'self absorbed', expecting people to deal with changes in technology, or expecting to be catered to because you refuse to change. You can still use your 32 bit plugins on a 64 bit system if you use a bit bridge. If you expect new plugins to work with your 15 year old DAW/computer combo without a bit of work on your end, forgive me if I think you are the one with 'self-absorbed' issues.

Also sick of people who complain about cpu usage when they won't update their cpu after many years.

[braj]

I don't know what is more 'self absorbed', expecting people to deal with changes in technology, or expecting to be catered to because you refuse to change. You can still use your 32 bit plugins on a 64 bit system if you use a bit bridge. If you expect new plugins to work with your 15 year old DAW/computer combo without a bit of work on your end, forgive me if I think you are the one with 'self-absorbed' issues.

Also sick of people who complain about cpu usage when they won't update their cpu after many years.

I can understand people saying the Odyssey can be better optimized though. Sometimes high CPU usage is an issue for everybody, even with new computers. But I do consider the age of my CPU when running new plugins. Luckily even 5 year old computers like mine can still handle it though, as long as the CPU itself is high end.

[Harry_HH]

I don't know what is more 'self absorbed', expecting people to deal with changes in technology, or expecting to be catered to because you refuse to change. You can still use your 32 bit plugins on a 64 bit system if you use a bit bridge. If you expect new plugins to work with your 15 year old DAW/computer combo without a bit of work on your end, forgive me if I think you are the one with 'self-absorbed' issues.

Also sick of people who complain about cpu usage when they won't update their cpu after many years.

I can understand people saying the Odyssey can be better optimized though. Sometimes high CPU usage is an issue for everybody, even with new computers. But I do consider the age of my CPU when running new plugins. Luckily even 5 year old computers like mine can still handle it though, as long as the CPU itself is high end.

Its obvious, that other parameters, such as the OS and DAW used, play even more bigger role, than the "age" of the computer/processor in this case. No matter how much computer power you have, if there are some fundemantal issues in optimization, your CPU meter hits red constantly. In the Odyssey´s case, turning down amount of voices 40-80 % helps, but this is not the way, how the synths should work, the presets are made to sound good with certain amount of voices.
Playing Odysseys is more fun than most of the synths I have, incl. most of the Arturia´s products. The optimization is a huge handicap, though.

[Stefken]

I don't know what is more 'self absorbed', expecting people to deal with changes in technology, or expecting to be catered to because you refuse to change. You can still use your 32 bit plugins on a 64 bit system if you use a bit bridge. If you expect new plugins to work with your 15 year old DAW/computer combo without a bit of work on your end, forgive me if I think you are the one with 'self-absorbed' issues.

Also sick of people who complain about cpu usage when they won't update their cpu after many years.

I can understand people saying the Odyssey can be better optimized though. Sometimes high CPU usage is an issue for everybody, even with new computers. But I do consider the age of my CPU when running new plugins. Luckily even 5 year old computers like mine can still handle it though, as long as the CPU itself is high end.

Its obvious, that other parameters, such as the OS and DAW used, play even more bigger role, than the "age" of the computer/processor in this case. No matter how much computer power you have, if there are some fundemantal issues in optimization, your CPU meter hits red constantly. In the Odyssey´s case, turning down amount of voices 40-80 % helps, but this is not the way, how the synths should work, the presets are made to sound good with certain amount of voices.
Playing Odysseys is more fun than most of the synths I have, incl. most of the Arturia´s products. The optimization is a huge handicap, though.

The presets are no the best implementation of the Odyssey. I think there is a lot more potential here.
The quality and amount of the presets is OK but not more than that. The preset manager is outdated.

And I had the impression that the designers were kinda lazy when making the presets and assigning the voices. I'd have to check but my impression was that in several cases too many voices were assigned, while it was not necessary for the sound.

[braj]

I haven't tried most of the presets, what fun is that? but I do immediately reduce the number of voices when creating a patch in any synth to what I need. I personally don't have an issue with the cpu load of Odyssey, but I do hope they figure out how to make it use less cpu because that's good for everyone. But 3-6% cpu here is fine. I can live with that.

[T11]

(Haven't read the whole thread)

Korg ARP Odyssey in standalone mode on Win10 seems to have problems switching to ASIO for some users.
It causes the app to crash.

How many here have experienced this?

UAD Apollo FireWire and RME Fireface are among the affected.