IKM SampleTank 3 (ST3) Now Available

[dsan@mail.com]

Well, now that's pretty interesting.

Will there be the possibility of using any midi file one chooses , or limited to the IKM selection of patterns?

Thanks for posting this Peter!

Happy Musiking!
dsan

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

Well, now that's pretty interesting.

Will there be the possibility of using any midi file one chooses , or limited to the IKM selection of patterns?

Thanks for posting this Peter!

Happy Musiking!
dsan

No problem! Unfortunately, though, there is no user import of patterns at this time.

[Numanoid]

The decision to use zip was likely not purely about the size of the download

No, maybe because The Management thought the computer skills of the regular IK Multimedia user to be very basic?

Zip files can be extracted directly, while rar files can't. But one only need to get hold of a freeware prog like 7-zip to be able to extract rar files.

I would hope saving 2 extra days downloading, would weigh more heavily than that some novice users couldn't get to open a rar file directly?

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

The decision to use zip was likely not purely about the size of the download

No, maybe because The Management thought the computer skills of the regular IK Multimedia user to be very basic?

Zip files can be extracted directly, while rar files can't. But one only need to get hold of a freeware prog like 7-zip to be able to extract rar files.

I would hope saving 2 extra days downloading, would weigh more heavily than that some novice users couldn't get to open a rar file directly?

The most likely scenario is that the decision was made to use a file format that would extract without a need for a third party application on the operating systems on which our product would be used. Seems pretty straightforward to me, we have a large user base and a file format that will open for them directly suits the situation quite well. I apologize if that doesn't work for you, if that is a deal breaker for you I will log it with the team so they can keep track of the impact of offering the sound library downloads in this common format.

Edit - and the boxed version will become available, too, for those that want to avoid downloading altogether and should help solve that problem too. I don't recall but I'm pretty sure you are not in on the preorder or even "on the fence" but if I'm wrong and you are actually interested in the product you will have this option.

[Numanoid]

if that is a deal breaker for you I will log it with the team so they can keep track of the impact of offering the sound library downloads in this common format.

Well, I have to pay to re-download the files I already have bought before right, so I don't foresee that happening, paying twice for the same service is a deal breaker indeed.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

if that is a deal breaker for you I will log it with the team so they can keep track of the impact of offering the sound library downloads in this common format.

Well, I have to pay to re-download the files I already have bought before right, so I don't foresee that happening, paying twice for the same service is a deal breaker indeed.

The period of time you have is plenty of time to back up the files (or if you purchase the boxed version you really would only be backing up in case you lost the DVDs). If you are getting the download and are an advanced user as it seems is the case, this should be no problem for you - there's plenty of freeware that can help

Edit - and for those that are interested and possibly not aware, the preorder pricing is only good for another week. Details at http://www.ikmultimedia.com/news/?item_id=4328

[bharris22]

I'm sure this has been asked and answered (if so, please do send me the link), but why will there not be an empty 64-bit ST "player" or "shell" that could load SampleMoog, SampleTron and SonikSynth?

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

I'm sure this has been asked and answered (if so, please do send me the link), but why will there not be an empty 64-bit ST "player" or "shell" that could load SampleMoog, SampleTron and SonikSynth?

You can find that information on our forum: http://www.ikmultimedia.com/forum/viewt ... =12&t=6909

[donato]

I'm sure this has been asked and answered (if so, please do send me the link), but why will there not be an empty 64-bit ST "player" or "shell" that could load SampleMoog, SampleTron and SonikSynth?

Because it doesn't make them $.

[basslinemaster]

I'm sure this has been asked and answered (if so, please do send me the link), but why will there not be an empty 64-bit ST "player" or "shell" that could load SampleMoog, SampleTron and SonikSynth?

Because it doesn't make them $.

Correction: because they THINK it doesn't make them $...

Actually it would, but they don't understand (nor seem to care) what their existing customers want, and won't listen. I already explained this earlier on in this thread (I think), and it was ignored by IKM.

If they sold an empty 64 bit ST player, for say $30, I, and probably most other existing ST, Sampletron, SampleMoog, SonikSynth and Miroslav owners would buy it. IKM could then offer us a discount on the new ST3 library, if we wanted to buy it at a later date. They actually think they are going to make more money by NOT doing this, and there is no point in even trying to get them to look at things objectively, because like so many companies, it's a case of "We've made up our minds, and we don't care if our entire company collapses, as long as we don't have to admit we were wrong." Case in point: Microsoft and Windows 8's interface. They have lost hundreds of millions of pounds because they couldn't admit they were wrong. That's the mentality of whoever makes these stupid decisions. They will never admit they were wrong, and thus can never go back on their decision and say "I'm really sorry, I didn't ask my customers what they wanted BEFORE I came up with this idea, but now I know what you actually want to BUY from me, I'll do something crazy and actually let you BUY it!"

It's so simple, a child can work it out: IKM have a large user base of existing ST, SampleMoog, Miroslav, etc. owners. I would imagine most of them (of the ones who still use their IKM software) would buy a 64 bit 'player' if it was a no-brainer price - under $30. Some of them would also buy the ST3 content later on, especially if IKM had the brains (which they don't), to give you some quality free presets every week, in your e-mail, to tempt you, with a money off coupon, etc.etc.etc.

Obviously their current model means that the only people who will buy ST3 are:
1) the ones who want the ST3 content
2) the tiny number of current ST2, etc. owners who want a 64 bit player alone, and not the ST3 content, and are prepared to pay a fortune for a 64 bit player (since they don't want the ST3 content, they are only buying ST3 for the ability to play ST2 sounds with a 64 bit VST).

It doesn't take a calculator to work out that equals much less money than the example I gave above, of a sub $30 ST3 player, as well as the full ST3 program.

[bharris22]

I'm sure this has been asked and answered (if so, please do send me the link), but why will there not be an empty 64-bit ST "player" or "shell" that could load SampleMoog, SampleTron and SonikSynth?

Because it doesn't make them $.

Correction: because they THINK it doesn't make them $...

Actually it would, but they don't understand (nor seem to care) what their existing customers want, and won't listen. I already explained this earlier on in this thread (I think), and it was ignored by IKM.

If they sold an empty 64 bit ST player, for say $30, I, and probably most other existing ST, Sampletron, SampleMoog, SonikSynth and Miroslav owners would buy it. IKM could then offer us a discount on the new ST3 library, if we wanted to buy it at a later date. They actually think they are going to make more money by NOT doing this, and there is no point in even trying to get them to look at things objectively, because like so many companies, it's a case of "We've made up our minds, and we don't care if our entire company collapses, as long as we don't have to admit we were wrong." Case in point: Microsoft and Windows 8's interface. They have lost hundreds of millions of pounds because they couldn't admit they were wrong. That's the mentality of whoever makes these stupid decisions. They will never admit they were wrong, and thus can never go back on their decision and say "I'm really sorry, I didn't ask my customers what they wanted BEFORE I came up with this idea, but now I know what you actually want to BUY from me, I'll do something crazy and actually let you BUY it!"

It's so simple, a child can work it out: IKM have a large user base of existing ST, SampleMoog, Miroslav, etc. owners. I would imagine most of them (of the ones who still use their IKM software) would buy a 64 bit 'player' if it was a no-brainer price - under $30. Some of them would also buy the ST3 content later on, especially if IKM had the brains (which they don't), to give you some quality free presets every week, in your e-mail, to tempt you, with a money off coupon, etc.etc.etc.

Obviously their current model means that the only people who will buy ST3 are:
1) the ones who want the ST3 content
2) the tiny number of current ST2, etc. owners who want a 64 bit player alone, and not the ST3 content, and are prepared to pay a fortune for a 64 bit player (since they don't want the ST3 content, they are only buying ST3 for the ability to play ST2 sounds with a 64 bit VST).

It doesn't take a calculator to work out that equals much less money than the example I gave above, of a sub $30 ST3 player, as well as the full ST3 program.

You sure do make a lot of sense. I would buy a ST3 player for $30 (or some other nominal amount). I just don't see the need to pay $100 for ever more samples of traditional instruments when I already have Kontakt, MachFive 3, etc., let alone $200 once the intro price is over.

[donato]

Yeah, actually I agree, I just didn't feel like rehashing all of that. Hell, I don't think they should even charge $30. If I were running the place I'd just make it free. Another example of their perpetual short-sightedness.

1. First of all you are right! It would lead to a ton more sales and promote the product.
2. MAYBE less people would hate the company and actually buy future IK products (although at this point I think many wouldn't go back- I don't think I would).
3. Promises (half-truths or whatever semantic classification you want to give) of the free-player would be fulfilled.

For better or worse IK do things their way and aren't going to be swayed by things like logic, customer input or customer satisfaction. No need to even bother really.

[neverenoughfunk]

I'm sure this has been asked and answered (if so, please do send me the link), but why will there not be an empty 64-bit ST "player" or "shell" that could load SampleMoog, SampleTron and SonikSynth?

Because it doesn't make them $.

Correction: because they THINK it doesn't make them $...

Actually it would, but they don't understand (nor seem to care) what their existing customers want, and won't listen. I already explained this earlier on in this thread (I think), and it was ignored by IKM.

If they sold an empty 64 bit ST player, for say $30, I, and probably most other existing ST, Sampletron, SampleMoog, SonikSynth and Miroslav owners would buy it. IKM could then offer us a discount on the new ST3 library, if we wanted to buy it at a later date. They actually think they are going to make more money by NOT doing this, and there is no point in even trying to get them to look at things objectively, because like so many companies, it's a case of "We've made up our minds, and we don't care if our entire company collapses, as long as we don't have to admit we were wrong." Case in point: Microsoft and Windows 8's interface. They have lost hundreds of millions of pounds because they couldn't admit they were wrong. That's the mentality of whoever makes these stupid decisions. They will never admit they were wrong, and thus can never go back on their decision and say "I'm really sorry, I didn't ask my customers what they wanted BEFORE I came up with this idea, but now I know what you actually want to BUY from me, I'll do something crazy and actually let you BUY it!"

It's so simple, a child can work it out: IKM have a large user base of existing ST, SampleMoog, Miroslav, etc. owners. I would imagine most of them (of the ones who still use their IKM software) would buy a 64 bit 'player' if it was a no-brainer price - under $30. Some of them would also buy the ST3 content later on, especially if IKM had the brains (which they don't), to give you some quality free presets every week, in your e-mail, to tempt you, with a money off coupon, etc.etc.etc.

Obviously their current model means that the only people who will buy ST3 are:
1) the ones who want the ST3 content
2) the tiny number of current ST2, etc. owners who want a 64 bit player alone, and not the ST3 content, and are prepared to pay a fortune for a 64 bit player (since they don't want the ST3 content, they are only buying ST3 for the ability to play ST2 sounds with a 64 bit VST).

It doesn't take a calculator to work out that equals much less money than the example I gave above, of a sub $30 ST3 player, as well as the full ST3 program.

You sure do make a lot of sense. I would buy a ST3 player for $30 (or some other nominal amount). I just don't see the need to pay $100 for ever more samples of traditional instruments when I already have Kontakt, MachFive 3, etc., let alone $200 once the intro price is over.

i do agree with these statements... but you do have to look at the actual product... i love kontakt just like the next man but using kontakt on a lappy is not ideal... my lappy does not have the specs that my desktop has... next, there is MachFive 3... that dongle is not ideal for mobile use... i.e. breaking it/loosing it...

all i am saying is that individuals are going to use ST 3 in different ways... for me using ST 3 on a lappy with my launchkey mini is ideal for mobile use... no dongle to worry about... no worrying about CPU (hopefully?)... for my purposes... using it as a scratch pad tool for a mobile setup it is ideal... i am not looking for ST 3 to replace kontakt or MachFive or Halion Sonic (dongle)... but i do think ST 3 would give me more freedom i.e. no cpu issues/dongle worries... when i am mobile... i do not think ST 3 could replace the drums, bass, piano, electric piano, guitars, brass,synths, etc that i already own... but having access to these types of sounds when on a road... using one interface, imo, makes composing/writing easier...

still... not a fan of ik multimedia and their reps (for the reason that have been stated)... but the $90 upgrade for ST 3 i paid is not asking for a lot...

[Elektronisch]

I agree about SampleTank 3 Player idea. Plus from my expierience it does work on me...for instance I had Camel Audio Alchemy, i wasnt a fan of its interface and how heavy it is, i sold it, but some sounds were still esential to me, thanks to Camel Audio for releasing player version, i bought few libraries and now i am able to use without buying full product.

Anyways, i personaly cant complain about ST3 because ive got a great offer for pre-order (79.99 EU) and now counting days when ST3 will be released

Now a question to developers: how heavy/light ST3 is on CPU? how well i will be able to run ST3 on older generation quad-core CPU?

And sorry to say this IK, but audio demos definatly could been better, just some of them sounds amauterish

[Ben H]

I am one of the people who bought ST2XL at full (near Omnisphere) cost, back in the day, 9 years ago. I was never really happy with it, but decided to keep it as there was all sorts of talk about it being updated to ST3 nearly 7 years ago.

In fact, I have such a love for it that I haven't even bothered to re-install it on my computer in at least 5 years.

Like many others, I had hoped that the sweetener that IK Multimedia had offered on the upgrade price to long-term owners would allow me to upgrade to ST3 for a small, modest fee and hopefully sell it to recoup some of my losses. But like MOST IK promises or implied suggestions, it didn't happen.

Anyway, after having tried unsuccessfully for several months to sell ST2XL in the marketplace for $0 dollars + the transfer fee ONLY, I finally gave up and tossed it in the bin.

Such is the way that they have flooded the marketplace with their product that it holds zero resale value.

All I can say is that I am much happier now as a result.