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zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:46 pm

fritzman wrote:
zeoy wrote:
fritzman wrote:
zeoy wrote:Hi Rene and others,

what do you guys think about this sound ?

www.show.gr/zeoy/clip.mp3

(cross-posted in Amplitube 2 thread)
I don't like that sound.

Best wishes, FRitz
Thanx for listening Fritz, I am not into metal so maybe I got it wrong. Care to share your thoughts? (what it sounds like, what's been used here etc.)
Hey zeoy,

whatcha mean you're not into metal?

you see, I can even tell hard rock from metal

. OK this is actually my amp recorded a few months back. I found this recording browsing my audio folder and cut a small part with a fade-in at the beginning and a fade-out at the end (there was a nice feedback there but some horrible cable-connection noise too

)
The amp is a Peavey Bravo ( 3 12AX7, 2 EL84) with factory semi-crap speaker.
Mic is a Shure Beta 57A positioned not so close or off axis IIRC
Guitar is a Levinson Blade R1 (single coils) Strat type.
That's all. No EQ, no comp, nothing. Recording in my living room.

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:58 pm

Hey zeoy,

no prob with the style stuff.

What was your intention of posting this audio? Would you post a track with this guitar in it?

All the best, FRitz

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:07 pm

fritzman wrote: Would you post a track with this guitar in it?

No way jose... or maybe why not. Anyway, that was not my intention. Jacksplat asked a few pages back (...erm wait a minute, was it this thread or the other?) for a clip of a tube amp, I found this old recording and I posted it. Just as an example. We haven't many raw, only guitar recordings, round here don't you think?

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:05 pm

1st 5150
Removed

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:01 am

Midiworks wrote:1st 5150
http://www.soundspectral.com/5150midChanelChuga.mp3

WOW!!!

I forgot that it's possible to make a 5150 to sound THAT poor.
Seriously: 5150s don't sound all the same and the better ones I played don't sound like this thing here. This sounds very buzzzzzzzzzing.
Here we go again ...

Best wishes, FRitz

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:09 am

fritzman wrote:
Midiworks wrote:1st 5150
http://www.soundspectral.com/5150midChanelChuga.mp3

WOW!!!

I forgot that it's possible to make a 5150 to sound THAT poor.
Seriously: 5150s don't sound all the same and the better ones I played don't sound like this thing here. This sounds very buzzzzzzzzzing.
Here we go again ...

I thought so too...

Ok, I guess I should not do those things at low level
at 5am.

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:33 am

Midiworks wrote:
fritzman wrote:
Midiworks wrote:1st 5150
http://www.soundspectral.com/5150midChanelChuga.mp3

WOW!!!

I forgot that it's possible to make a 5150 to sound THAT poor.
Seriously: 5150s don't sound all the same and the better ones I played don't sound like this thing here. This sounds very buzzzzzzzzzing.
Here we go again ...
I thought so too...
Ok, I guess I should not do those things at low level
at 5am.

Glad we agree.

Getting some serious sleep every now and then is something I should practice some more, too.

All the best, FRitz

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:02 am

2nd 5150
Removed due to strange clipping in the mp3,
sorry, next time I better sleep....

Better now but...

(no EQ btw.)

Edit:
Ya, better sleep now... its 8am here... again.

Vervil · Post by **Vervil** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:51 am

Something strange with this second clip... (btw you are guitarist yourself? On what guitar was this played on? Or was it just a DI clip you already have?)

There is a lot of strange cliping happening all over the place, like the input is too high or something. Also, I don't know if it is guitar or strange amp behaviour, but sound is almost like there are some small pitch shiftings there, + automated filter, or slight wah opening and closing, if you know what I mean... Does not have anything to do with EQ or late hours recording at low level...

Btw, I will say something opposite to people making request... Don't go too far with work on amp models.
Maybe you could make just a few models that work really good with enough different boxes and make price to be little lower, and then make some "expansion packs" like Line6 or paid update for users. At this point it may be better to have work done than to work more on new requests and someones favorite models. I mean, Bogner is nice for someone, 5150 is great, but I think most of people would be very satisfied with proper Boogie, Marshall or Soldano

If something is not really up there, save it for later, it may be better bussiness tactic than waiting for everything to sound great... Just my 2 cents, I don't know in what phase of work you really are, but good timing is everything!

All the best man!

chrishurley · Post by **chrishurley** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:02 am

I (for one) would really think it might be cool to sell a base pack for $50 and sell add-ons for $50 each. Get people in the door and then make more later. Its always good to have something else for people to buy when they like their first purchase- and make it easy for them to get in the door.

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:25 am

Vervil wrote:Something strange with this second clip... (btw you are guitarist yourself? On what guitar was this played on? Or was it just a DI clip you already have?)

There is a lot of strange cliping happening all over the place, like the input is too high or something.

I think the output is clipping - if you limit to 0.0 dB and them make an mp3 it often goes into digital clipping.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:10 am

There are too much artifacts on the source material, I think. Then the amp sim is processing the artifacts and pronouncing them even more. That's my guess anyhow.

I have to agree that it sounds wonky, but I still think it actually shows a tonne of promise. Looking forward to it still, despite artifact-laden demo mp3.

Greg

cheul · Post by **cheul** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:21 am

Like I said earlier in that historic thread, I agree with Vervil on the fact that there should be a base pack featuring essential amps, aiming uber-quality in Modern Hi Gain and Clean tones. Ultimately this is not my call, but there's definitely a need for that kinf of offer, and if it got lost in diversity it might not make as strong a statement towards pricey competitors as it would with a basic offer.
Then the idea of the basic pack to be affordable and expandable through paying upgrades is a great selling strategy, but of course Rene's efforts and hard work have to be taken into account.

But right now, it's more appropriate to talk about tone... now Rene, where those Bogner, Diezel demos ? Post more mp3s, I need my daily fix !
Let me add this linkto a song a guy recorded with the following signal chain : ENGL Fireball > 1960a > SM57 > M-Audio Mobile-Pre > Cubase SX2. (And the bass is basically his guitar pitshifted in Cubase !) I hope you find some inspiration in that.

Oh and as for the clean sound, I can have a nice clean tone with Juicy77, but unfortunately it runs in overdrive too easily, making the tone slightly dirty... and though I'm sure it's the desired behaviour from the plugin's creator I'd like the same kind of clarity without the dirt... will your Clean Amp be able to stay truly clean ?

edit : I should come with a demo soon, well if I can find time...

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:49 pm

cheul wrote:Like I said earlier in that historic thread, I agree with Vervil on the fact that there should be a base pack featuring essential amps, aiming uber-quality in Modern Hi Gain and Clean tones.

Then the idea of the basic pack to be affordable and expandable through paying upgrades is a great selling strategy, but of course Rene's efforts and hard work have to be taken into account.

I am seriously thinking about it.

But how much to charge per amp model ???

But right now, it's more appropriate to talk about tone... now Rene, where those Bogner, Diezel demos ? Post more mp3s, I need my daily fix !

I need to ask Dimitar to play through those models,
its just not good sometimes to simply run a wav through it.
Anyway, for your fix:
http://www.soundspectral.com/Demos/5150midSolo3.mp3

Oh and as for the clean sound, I can have a nice clean tone with Juicy77, but unfortunately it runs in overdrive too easily, making the tone slightly dirty... and though I'm sure it's the desired behaviour from the plugin's creator I'd like the same kind of clarity without the dirt... will your Clean Amp be able to stay truly clean ?

Good question,
to keep the amp 100% clean is easy,
but no guitar amp I know ever stays 100% clean.
So I am thinking about a way to make both work somehow.
Please send me your Juicy77 fxp, so I can hear and see what you like.

btw. cool sound that giftofruit.

championrabbit · Post by **championrabbit** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:31 pm

Midiworks wrote: but no guitar amp I know ever stays 100% clean.

Roland JC100.

Modern Fender Twins.

90% of big Fender solid state amps.

Big Hi-Watt amps.

Big Orange amps.

Do you know much about guitar amps?

If not, try this: ask a guitar-playing friend to plug into a single channel, non-master 100 watt head and 4x12. Turn the volume up to half way, put your ear right next to the speaker grill and ask your friend to hit an open G good and hard.

While your hearing is recovering, you can dwell on the that big old CLEAN sound that so damaged your ears...

Guitar players, The soundclick MP3 demo page got updated !