KVR Audio

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:24 pm

tony tony chopper wrote:(btw, for the really retarded who still haven't understood, I'm NOT attacking Chris here)

p.s. because you truly are retarded, he means you josh

laserbeak · Post by **laserbeak** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:24 pm

gol i agree. some synths are made to sound a certain way i guess.

-edit-
"Laserbeak reads the thread below this one and stops his ranting"
sorry chris, but i'm not wrong!!

hehe

Funkstar De Luxe · Post by **Funkstar De Luxe** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:25 pm

I've only read the first few pages of this thread - stopping at the flame war - so please bear with me. The re sampling algorithm is a major factor in the sound here. Why don't you use the free .dll from Voxengo? It's very best free re sampler I have heard. Is it technically impossible? Or Problems due to licensing?
This is a very interesting plugin you've made here, I'd love to see it blossom.

Tony

Chris Walton · Post by **Chris Walton** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:30 pm

Funkstar De Luxe wrote:I've only read the first few pages of this thread - stopping at the flame war - so please bear with me. The re sampling algorithm is a major factor in the sound here. Why don't you use the free .dll from Voxengo? It's very best free re sampler I have heard. Is it technically impossible? Or Problems due to licensing?

Ooh, that looks pretty neat. Yeah, actually it seems like it's something I could use, although I'd definetely make using it optional, and still support my own up/downsampling algorithms...

so how does oversampler.os_r8_2.dll sound, for 2x oversampling using r8brain.dll?

Funkstar De Luxe wrote:This is a very interesting plugin you've made here, I'd love to see it blossom.

Thanks.

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:36 pm

If the attack is that quick at 44.1khz, then the transition is much too quick for a human to pick up anyway

I'd think (& here I'm not 100% sure of what I'm talking about - feel free to correct), that as you can consider a compressor's envelope as ring modulating the input, the highest freq in the result would be the sum of the highest in both signals. If the attack is slow, it's neglectable, but if it's fast, then you'd get aliasing. Depending on the attack & how the envelope is smoothed up, it may matter.
That said, I implemented 2x oversampling in my compressor (mainly because it has saturators), but I can't hear much diff in practice.
Oversampling would also allow (sample) fractional times for delays, compressor times, etc, but that shouldn't make any difference.

tekalo · Post by **tekalo** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:38 pm

Chris Walton wrote:
joshhunsaker wrote:chris:
would it be possible to wrap one instance of the plug inside another instance of the plug and then put the synth in that? El cheapo way of achieving 4x oversampling, perhaps? Methinks its a little out there but maybe it could work...
Yep, that should work ... you need to have <plugin>.dll and <plugin>.os.dll and <plugin>.os.os.dll - should work, I think, although I haven't tried that.

I tried it and it works very well (no crash...)

Funkstar De Luxe · Post by **Funkstar De Luxe** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:48 pm

Chris Walton wrote:
Funkstar De Luxe wrote:I've only read the first few pages of this thread - stopping at the flame war - so please bear with me. The re sampling algorithm is a major factor in the sound here. Why don't you use the free .dll from Voxengo? It's very best free re sampler I have heard. Is it technically impossible? Or Problems due to licensing?
Ooh, that looks pretty neat. Yeah, actually it seems like it's something I could use, although I'd definetely make using it optional, and still support my own up/downsampling algorithms...

so how does oversampler.os_r8_2.dll sound, for 2x oversampling using r8brain.dll?

Now, that would be AMAZING! I'm not complaining about the quality of your own algorithms, it's just that R8Brain has been tested considerably by a lot of people and always seems to be at least, top two. You can see good test results here http://src.infinitewave.ca/

Also, have you considered some kind of GUI for the plugin? It's a little inconvenient to have to rename the .dll all the time

Of course, I can happily live with doing that, just an idea for the future.

Thanks again for the great freebie, I'm going to have lots of fun testing this over the weekend (the only thing I've tried so far is impOSCar and it does sound a little better - even did a blind ABX to make sure it wasn't placebo).

Tony

RunBeerRun · Post by **RunBeerRun** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:04 pm

It does work in Reaper. Sounds great!

Genetic_Junk · Post by **Genetic_Junk** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:46 pm

Funkstar De Luxe wrote:
Chris Walton wrote:
Funkstar De Luxe wrote:I've only read the first few pages of this thread - stopping at the flame war - so please bear with me. The re sampling algorithm is a major factor in the sound here. Why don't you use the free .dll from Voxengo? It's very best free re sampler I have heard. Is it technically impossible? Or Problems due to licensing?
Ooh, that looks pretty neat. Yeah, actually it seems like it's something I could use, although I'd definetely make using it optional, and still support my own up/downsampling algorithms...

so how does oversampler.os_r8_2.dll sound, for 2x oversampling using r8brain.dll?
Now, that would be AMAZING! I'm not complaining about the quality of your own algorithms, it's just that R8Brain has been tested considerably by a lot of people and always seems to be at least, top two. You can see good test results here http://src.infinitewave.ca/

Also, have you considered some kind of GUI for the plugin? It's a little inconvenient to have to rename the .dll all the time Of course, I can happily live with doing that, just an idea for the future.

Thanks again for the great freebie, I'm going to have lots of fun testing this over the weekend (the only thing I've tried so far is impOSCar and it does sound a little better - even did a blind ABX to make sure it wasn't placebo).

Tony

I agree, that would be cool if you could integrate r8brain.

Tony did you test imposcar at at 44, 48 or 96 (oversampled to 88.2, 96,or 192)? I tried it 96 oversampled to 192 with wusik's and it didn't work. He did just release a new beta that I haven't tried yet.

joshhunsaker · Post by **joshhunsaker** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:18 am

let's not forget that sytrus (which gol designed) has 64 times oversampling options for both render and realtime modes. Looks like a bit of stupidity slipped in there.... wouldn't you say, nufflink?

joshhunsaker · Post by **joshhunsaker** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:23 am

and about sucking up to major software designers....

sytrus doesn't hold a candle to the presets that came with the fm7. That thing will always kick the sytrus' ass usability wise.

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:28 am

has 64 times oversampling options for both render and realtime modes. Looks like a bit of stupidity slipped in there....

that's because you just don't have a clue. FM is really prone to aliasing, and I don't know any other way to reduce it than oversampling. It's really needed here.
Did I ever say that oversampling was stupid? Where?

sytrus doesn't hold a candle to the presets that came with the fm7

booh that makes me so saad

joshhunsaker · Post by **joshhunsaker** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:36 am

and who said that we were talking about using chris' plug only with synths that didn't utilize any form of fm synthesis (i hope you realize that some sort of osc fm option on any decent synth is just a little rare nowadays...)

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:42 am

spielberg said

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:45 am

btw josh, you should write a book. A book to enlighten everyone here about:
-the audibility & intermodulation of freqs above 20khz
-the audibility of 64bit mixing
-additive synthesis explained with polarity stuff (or whatever it was)
-your knowledge on oversampling
-other gems of yours I've missed in this forum

Then get Spielberg to write the preface and it will sell like hot cakes.

VST Oversampler 1.4 (with SSE/3DNow! support)