Ideas for new vintage emulations

[BFunKu]

..... Just a nice SH-101 and I'll be glad

Do you not like the TAL-Bassline? I think it's great.

nice synth, but has nothing to do with the sh101/mc202, soundwise ...

It sounds about 80% like a real Roland SH-101 when I compare them side by side.

you're kidding ... no feckin way ... the env's are linear(!!!), the filter aliases as hell with high resonance and the filter at all doesn't sound like an 101 ... not to speak of the osc's, in particular the pulse wave sounds completeley different ... and when using fully keyfollow on the tal filter, the filter won't even really close when the fade is set to minimum ...

>snip< The closest VSTi that I've heard to the Roland SH-101 is the discontinued TC Mercury.

you're getting strange more and more ...
max the resonace on both, turn all osc's on and listen ... in the mercure there's no feeback nonelinearities whatsoever and the osc's are straight flat out computed waves, no shapes like the real one has ...

I was just joking on the first one Brok. But the TC Mercury is the closest I've heard "Soundwise" not "Featurewise" to my Roland SH-101. At least on a lot of the factory Presets. Not all but some of them sound remotely similar. Which VSTi do you think sounds the most like the SH-101 in your opinion? Sonic Timeworks SH-1001? SC-101? The SC-101 is absolutely terrible if you ask me. It Looks cool as it's in the rather rare Red Color. I've seen quite a few SH-101s most are Grey like mine, but sometimes I'll come across a Blue one once in a while in different studios. But I've never once seen a Red one in person for some reason? Are the Red ones Rarer than the other colors? It sure seems that way? I almost swear I saw a Yellow and Grey one once too a long time ago? Maybe it was Custom Painted or something though? I even heard that there was a All-White colored one too? Never seen that one at all anywhere.

[BFunKu]

Also this is what I really want to see in Software. Just because it looks so damn cool compared to other Moog synths that are kind of bland. Not exactly the most complex or feature packed Synth in the world. But it does sound Great.

[cyanogen]

Samplemoog has that model. They're strictly samples, however...no colorful interface.

[electro]

After hearing WIVI, a virtual VL-1 isnt really that important anymore.

http://wallanderinstruments.com/forum/

[JPQ]

the RMI Harmonic Synthesizer,
a proper ELKA Synthex

+1

[JPQ]

I have a dream, a big dream

RHODES CHROMA

I've owned one for 20 years and it miss me , it miss me...

+1 i dont even tested but i interested.

[BFunKu]

I asked the creator of the VL-1 about porting it VSTI a couple years ago at AES.

... and?? ... not that we'd be more interrested on the answer, now that you posted so ...

The Casio VL-1 Tone has already been ported to VSTi for those that don't already know. You can get it here.
http://www.polyvalens.com/vl1/

[getthere]

..... Just a nice SH-101 and I'll be glad

Do you not like the TAL-Bassline? I think it's great.

nice synth, but has nothing to do with the sh101/mc202, soundwise ...

It sounds about 80% like a real Roland SH-101 when I compare them side by side.

you're kidding ... no feckin way ... the env's are linear(!!!), the filter aliases as hell with high resonance and the filter at all doesn't sound like an 101 ... not to speak of the osc's, in particular the pulse wave sounds completeley different ... and when using fully keyfollow on the tal filter, the filter won't even really close when the fade is set to minimum ...

>snip< The closest VSTi that I've heard to the Roland SH-101 is the discontinued TC Mercury.

you're getting strange more and more ...
max the resonace on both, turn all osc's on and listen ... in the mercure there's no feeback nonelinearities whatsoever and the osc's are straight flat out computed waves, no shapes like the real one has ...

I was just joking on the first one Brok. But the TC Mercury is the closest I've heard "Soundwise" not "Featurewise" to my Roland SH-101. At least on a lot of the factory Presets. Not all but some of them sound remotely similar. Which VSTi do you think sounds the most like the SH-101 in your opinion? Sonic Timeworks SH-1001? SC-101? The SC-101 is absolutely terrible if you ask me. It Looks cool as it's in the rather rare Red Color. I've seen quite a few SH-101s most are Grey like mine, but sometimes I'll come across a Blue one once in a while in different studios. But I've never once seen a Red one in person for some reason? Are the Red ones Rarer than the other colors? It sure seems that way? I almost swear I saw a Yellow and Grey one once too a long time ago? Maybe it was Custom Painted or something though? I even heard that there was a All-White colored one too? Never seen that one at all anywhere.

I'm interested in this discussion. I use Tal's but have not got the money to "toy" around, if ya know what I mean.
The Sh-101 is one of my favorite synths of all time. I prefer it over moog any day! I played one in a vintage shop in L.A. and I almost cried when I left. (spent all my money on booze and whores the night before, kiddin!)

Seriously though, I got sick of trying to find an emulation. Now I use Alchemy and samples of the 101 to get the flavor! Sounds pretty damn good if you ask me. (Thanks Kriminal, if your still here)

Anybody?

[brok landers]

I asked the creator of the VL-1 about porting it VSTI a couple years ago at AES.

... and?? ... not that we'd be more interrested on the answer, now that you posted so ...

The Casio VL-1 Tone has already been ported to VSTi for those that don't already know. You can get it here.
http://www.polyvalens.com/vl1/

haha ... not that crap, the yamaha vl1 ... thatone:
http://www.sequencer.de/syns/yamaha/VL1.html

[getthere]

Plus, I forgot to mention, as far as I know, not one has the modulation potential that the original had. I could be wrong, and usually am, but maybe there is something about playing it live that gives you the power to make the most f*cked up noises possible.

One of my favorite thing is the portamento with and increase in pulse width over time while pulling back the filter and raising the Res to full. Old hat but still fun as hell! Hands on that is, just not the same with a laptop and a midi controller. Ya know?

[Axis1~SL61]

Hands on that is, just not the same with a laptop and a midi controller. Ya know?

Why not the same? ... performance-wise one could do that with almost any modern USB-MIDI controller, like the Novation (the one I own) or as far as I know, any other similar controller, like the Edirol or what have you... of course, sound wise it would very much depend on the synth plugin you're using on the computer... and on your own sound card's DACs, of course...

But it looks like a rather interesting hardware synth anyway -- however, I couldn't still find out what the modulation routings are on the VL-1. I took a look at the info I found on the net about the poly VL-5 and it lookeed rather impressive, yes --I especially liked the guitar-like sounds on the yamaha mp3 demos. Very cool.

[ew]

Mu-Tron made a box that a bass player that I worked with used once in a while. Made his bass sound almost like a synth. It went owww, owwww. What was that thing called - it drove me nuts - I never recovered. Looked like the one in the middle in the second row.

You're thinking of the Mu-Tron III- the original (and maybe still the best) envelope follower.

http://www.mu-tron.org/

My bass player still uses one every once in a while.

I have a dream, a big dream

RHODES CHROMA

I've owned one for 20 years and it miss me , it miss me...

Now you're talking- I'd love to see a Chroma emulation.

ew

[emdot_ambient]

I know there are several VSTs out there that do this kind of sound, but I'd still like a realistic emulation of the Crumar Performer. Nothing really captures its qualities. While mine was still working the thing I really loved doing was live EQ modulation. Perhaps I'm just being sentimental, but the thing had an organic quality I haven't found in any string synth (hardware or software).

[getthere]

Hands on that is, just not the same with a laptop and a midi controller. Ya know?

Why not the same? ... performance-wise one could do that with almost any modern USB-MIDI controller, like the Novation (the one I own) or as far as I know, any other similar controller, like the Edirol or what have you... of course, sound wise it would very much depend on the synth plugin you're using on the computer... and on your own sound card's DACs, of course...

But it looks like a rather interesting hardware synth anyway -- however, I couldn't still find out what the modulation routings are on the VL-1. I took a look at the info I found on the net about the poly VL-5 and it lookeed rather impressive, yes --I especially liked the guitar-like sounds on the yamaha mp3 demos. Very cool.

Ahhhhh! Because you have to program every knob, button, and fader!


I thought it was obvious but, maybe I was misunderstood. You missed my point. I'm sorry, but, there is no substitute for playing a real Sh-101 instead of using a plugin that is emulated to be such, and mapped accross every midi destination know to man.

No offense. Personal opinion. Don't get me wrong. I have bought tons of VSTs and I have lot's of Midi gear, and I use all of them. I just would like to have at least one piece of classic gear. This is my own wish. I don't mean to push my opinions on anybody else. It's just a piece that I've wanted but never found the right time or place to pick one up.

And, definately, for sure you can do just about everything with midi, but, it's a work-around. I don't think that anybody will argue with the fact that designing a computer based emulation of an analog synth and then mapping it's features to emulate it's workflow and character is a...work-around.

But, I think were talking apples and oranges here. The two purposes are very different.

[emdot_ambient]

...here is no substitute for playing a real Sh-101 instead of using a plugin that is emulated to be such, and mapped accross every midi destination know to man...

Same with the Minimoog. A real one only sounds special when it's played by someone who actually plays it. The UI was at least as important as its sound engine. Watch any 70s Mini player and you'll see they're constantly controlling everything, altering filters, glide amounts, triggering glide with foot pedals, changing the envelopes and waveforms.