KVR Audio

AndreasKrebs · Post by **AndreasKrebs** » Mon May 11, 2009 6:58 pm

Well, many of the classics have already been done in software, and some vintage emulation is quite close to the original sound and more than just a mere structural copy. Well, structural copies are fine as well, since workflow contributes quite a lot to the resulting sounds.

However, a few things remain to be desired:
Korg PS 3300 (pleeeease!)
Korg MS 50 / SQ 10 (as an addon to their fine MS 20, all of them inter-patchable of course, so maybe all three beauties in one VSTi)
Yamaha GX1 (Arturia could do a nice "hybrid enhancement" to their CS 80, somehow combined like the Prophet VS/5 maybe)
Yamaha SY99 (would be a nice thing for NI's next big thing: they could call it "FM9")

Any other whishes?

Cheers,
Andreas

PaulSC · Post by **PaulSC** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:02 pm

Kurzweil K2600.

I don't actually want a software emulation of the K2600, but I want a software instrument with all the VAST synthesis algorithms.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:20 pm

oberheim matrix 12. roland mks80 (no, the jupiter8 doesn't sound the same). roland alpha juno2.

wrench45us · Post by **wrench45us** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:37 pm

matrix 12 +1
but as I understand it, Gibson owns the name and rights and comes down hard on anyone who even thinks about it

electro · Post by **electro** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:50 pm

AndreasKrebs wrote:Well, many of the classics have already been done in software, and some vintage emulation is quite close to the original sound and more than just a mere structural copy. Well, structural copies are fine as well, since workflow contributes quite a lot to the resulting sounds.

However, a few things remain to be desired:
Korg PS 3300 (pleeeease!)
Korg MS 50 / SQ 10 (as an addon to their fine MS 20, all of them inter-patchable of course, so maybe all three beauties in one VSTi)
Yamaha GX1 (Arturia could do a nice "hybrid enhancement" to their CS 80, somehow combined like the Prophet VS/5 maybe)
Yamaha SY99 (would be a nice thing for NI's next big thing: they could call it "FM9")

Any other whishes?

Cheers,
Andreas

NI didn't emulate the Prophet 5 properly and never improved it. Gforce is a much better developer for vintage emulations.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Mon May 11, 2009 8:15 pm

wrench45us wrote:matrix 12 +1
but as I understand it, Gibson owns the name and rights and comes down hard on anyone who even thinks about it

as long as you don't call it oberheim or matrix 12 and you don't make it look like the original (which in this case would be pure bull anyway) they can't do anything. however, with todays computers _faithfully_ emulating a matrix 12 just isn't possible, due to it's architecture ... it would need tremendeously much cpu ...

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Mon May 11, 2009 8:20 pm

brok landers wrote:however, with todays computers _faithfully_ emulating a matrix 12 just isn't possible, due to it's architecture ... it would need tremendeously much cpu ...

Depends on what you mean by faithfully. Half that machine is digital anyways with a really puny CPU driving it. All modulations are digital. It's the oscillators,filters and amplifiers that are analog and thus would probably make it less CPU expensive to make than say a Jupiter 8 which is all analog.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Mon May 11, 2009 8:32 pm

jupiter8 wrote:
brok landers wrote:however, with todays computers _faithfully_ emulating a matrix 12 just isn't possible, due to it's architecture ... it would need tremendeously much cpu ...
Depends on what you mean by faithfully. Half that machine is digital anyways with a really puny CPU driving it. All modulations are digital. It's the oscillators,filters and amplifiers that are analog and thus would probably make it less CPU expensive to make than say a Jupiter 8 which is all analog.

yes, but the osc's can do fm to each other, aswell as to the filter ... that requires quite some cpu, as heavy oversampling has to be applied ...

michat · Post by **michat** » Mon May 11, 2009 8:37 pm

PaulSC wrote:Kurzweil K2600.

I don't actually want a software emulation of the K2600, but I want a software instrument with all the VAST synthesis algorithms.

I actually WANT a software emulation of the K2600!!!!!!

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Mon May 11, 2009 8:40 pm

brok landers wrote:
jupiter8 wrote:
brok landers wrote:however, with todays computers _faithfully_ emulating a matrix 12 just isn't possible, due to it's architecture ... it would need tremendeously much cpu ...
Depends on what you mean by faithfully. Half that machine is digital anyways with a really puny CPU driving it. All modulations are digital. It's the oscillators,filters and amplifiers that are analog and thus would probably make it less CPU expensive to make than say a Jupiter 8 which is all analog.
yes, but the osc's can do fm to each other, aswell as to the filter ... that requires quite some cpu, as heavy oversampling has to be applied ...

Good points. Did'nt think of that.

Still there's plenty of VSTs doing that so i don't consider it undoable.
Tremendously much cpu is probably a bit much.

I've seen this argument a few times,that's why i reacted. I'm simply not sold on the idea that that's why it has'nt been emulated.

The funny thing about the Matrix 12 is that the analog parts are'nt anything special. It's the sum of the parts that makes it.

I remember trying one in a shop many years ago and was just spellbinded by it.
The only thing i was thinking was how on earth i could raise the money for one.
I still have'nt but i remember it fondly. It's easily the best analog i've ever tried though i only tried it briefly.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Mon May 11, 2009 8:59 pm

it's one of my favourite analog synths ...
though i have to correct myself: the matrix 12 has an polyphonic fm generator, which can be applied to the osc's ...
however, to emulate the curtis 3320 vcf with all its nonelinearities, aswell as the osc's, plus the fm on the osc's and the filter requires a dramatic range of sampling frequency, as fm and ffm at very high base frequency is allowed ... nyquist has to be really high on those parts in order to avoid aliasing ...
also the mixer for the osc's was driven, when osc levels at max, which was a big part of why the pw modulation sounded so great, that has to be oversampled, too ...

and yes, the summ of the parts does it, it was and still is the tweakers dream ... i never came across any analog synth that is so flexible, while the patches can be saved ...

the only really lame thing of the matrix 12 (in fact of all the oberheim digitally controlled ones) is, that the env's are really way too slow ...
well, one death you have to die, i guess ...

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Mon May 11, 2009 9:05 pm

brok landers wrote:oberheim matrix 12. roland mks80

+2

john808kid · Post by **john808kid** » Mon May 11, 2009 9:09 pm

Some Roland stuff...

D50, JD990 (with all the waveforms off the expansion cards)

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Mon May 11, 2009 9:10 pm

RSF Polykobol

Voyetra Modules

Its time for serious analog

Erf no just kidding ..... Just a nice SH-101 and I'll be glad

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Mon May 11, 2009 9:16 pm

brok landers wrote:.
however, to emulate the curtis 3320 vcf with all its nonelinearities, aswell as the osc's, plus the fm on the osc's and the filter requires a dramatic range of sampling frequency, as fm and ffm at very high base frequency is allowed ... nyquist has to be really high on those parts in order to avoid aliasing ...
also the mixer for the osc's was driven, when osc levels at max, which was a big part of why the pw modulation sounded so great, that has to be oversampled, too ...

But it's still not more than say the ARP 2600.

Ideas for new vintage emulations