Diva - classic synths that deserve emulating?

[jupiter8]

Aha it's synth schematics hunting/watching time! One of my little bizarre guilty pleasures.

[Bronto Scorpio]

Aha it's synth schematics hunting/watching time! One of my little bizarre guilty pleasures.

[jupiter8]

Aha it's synth schematics hunting/watching time! One of my little bizarre guilty pleasures.

Hell i don't even know what half of it does. I have this weird way of learning where i just read stuff over and over again and it slowly starts to make sense even if it's complete greek in the beginning.

[Urs]

Aha it's synth schematics hunting/watching time! One of my little bizarre guilty pleasures.

Hell i don't even know what half of it does. I have this weird way of learning where i just read stuff over and over again and it slowly starts to make sense even if it's complete greek in the beginning.

And then it suddenly makes sense

[omissis]

CS80 is nice , the same option can be found also in the mono-CS (from CS10 to CS30L); what is different among the CS imo is the distortion acted from the VCAs inside these machines

does anyone know what the difference is between the cs10 and the cs80 in termsof components , filters etc? i tried googling for some info but can't find much. from what i see it's an entire different family but who knows...maybe something in common?

I'd be interested too. We did get a CS-30 recently, which is strange little fella with a lot of awesome.

Quite an underrated machine, the old 30: it does sound a little bit more aggressive than the polyphonics; though that the filters and VCAs are identical despite the chips' labels (can't remember at the moment, need to sleep );can't tell the same about envelopes (no such things like Initial or Attack Level) or the VCOs (but I'm quite confident they use the same sawtooth+analog waveshaper method for the supplemental waveforms); the exciting things in the old CS30 are the double synth line, the VCOs (one can be tuned to 128' for a nice buzz!) and the external input, which is the same as the polys: feed the output back in and the synth begins to roar!

[jupiter8]

Aha it's synth schematics hunting/watching time! One of my little bizarre guilty pleasures.

Hell i don't even know what half of it does. I have this weird way of learning where i just read stuff over and over again and it slowly starts to make sense even if it's complete greek in the beginning.

And then it suddenly makes sense

Bit by bit,yes. Depends on what it is,a synth schematics doesn't just make sense all of a sudden just because i stare at it.

I'll never forget the moment the moment the penny dropped on convolution. I'd been staring at it the better part of the day,then i went to cook and where cutting onions when the penny dropped. It was quite an amazing experience actually. I had been so focused all day and when my mind was elsewhere suddenly it became clear as day.

[omissis]

CS80 is nice , the same option can be found also in the mono-CS (from CS10 to CS30L); what is different among the CS imo is the distortion acted from the VCAs inside these machines

does anyone know what the difference is between the cs10 and the cs80 in termsof components , filters etc? i tried googling for some info but can't find much. from what i see it's an entire different family but who knows...maybe something in common?

I'd be interested too. We did get a CS-30 recently, which is strange little fella with a lot of awesome.

The polyphonic and monophonic CS synths have nothing in common afaik. Purely based on some internet articles which I can't remember at the moment (Probably Amazona.de).

Cheers
Dennis

RIght, Bronto; I missed to say that the monos sound more aggressive than the polys; bear in mind that this was a by design issue, because the polyphonics, the 80 especially, were designed basically to emulate acoustic instruments, with the ability to make the sound expressive like the acoustic instrument do, so nothing was really pushed to the extreme apart from a bare audio FM from the LFO and the envelope-driven ring modulator.

[olikana]

We did get a CS-30 recently, which is strange little fella with a lot of awesome.

should be awesome indeed .is it yours or just borrowin it for a while?
cos i read many good things about modded cs15s and cs30s
http://electro-music.com/forum/post-295 ... &highlight

afaik the mono CSs should all pretty much be based on same components etc . but i read things about the filter enevelope on cs10 being a little punchier than other ones... don't know if this is a myth or not. but there seems to be wide spread consensus on this.

some comments taken from web

cs10 vs cs5
"The envelopes are also faster on paper- they certainly sound that way. I have an utterly convincing nylon guitar patch. The filter envelope on the CS10 is unusual- it's "Initial level" "attack level" and ADR. This is great for twang and punch."
btw i agree very much with this description of the cs10 filter envlope.

cs15 vs cs10
"The CS-15 is awsome, the CS-10 had slightly snappier envelopes but the CS-15 will get you a lot of mileage. A very underaed synth.
Anyone compared the schematics for the 10 and 15?
Shouldn't be so difficult to get the 15 as snappy as the 10?
Probably only a timing capacitor?
I'm only guessing here, anyone knows?"
no follow up answer on this

cs10 vs the cs30
"cs01: PHAT sound for a tiny toylookin synth cs10: very simple but soo nice cs5/15: fun but not as much fun as a cs10 cs30: very fun quirks/mods/funky leads synth, but in the bass department the cs10 blows it away. (without the sequencer a whole lot less fun tho)"
typical generalistic comments but all i culd find...

i hope someone can throw u a cs10 to compare the filter >filter envelope action on it and check whats so peculiar about it .

[Prunesquallor]

AFAIK the CS10 is rumoured to sound faster than the CS15 because of the extra control in the CS10 envelope, which enables it to sound punchier. I may be wrong.

As far as components go, all the CS synths used the same chips: VCO - IG00153; VCF - IG00156, VCA - IG00151, envelopes - IG00152 and IG00159.
Check it out: http://www.emusic-diy.org/YamahaManuals ... 6ab8de3f67
http://therogoffs.com/cs80/manuals/CS80 ... index.html

[CPCompany]

This thread has shown me up to be the beginner that I am. I havent heard of half of these synths !!

Will be fun to play with the Diva emulations once they arrive though.

[HunterKiller]

CS-80 would be great, but as Urs said, noone is willing to donate such a synth for dissection.

Another great synth is the Andromeda. It's like a super VSTi, and a perfect candidate for this new level of emulation.

The thing is many hardware guys with these synths might not even be aware of much of the VSTi world or even one particular developer.

The best way to reach people is through Youtube or their website. And offer them an nfr for their services once the thing is released.

I'm sure there are a ton of people who still haven't heard of the latest developments in VSTi land in terms of analog emulation. And that many of them would gladly work with software developers to try to push the envelope.

[hakey]

So, what are the truly distinctive oscillators and filters (and oscillator+filter+VCA combos)?

I guess the Polyvoks(sp?) is one, though I don't know enough about it to comment. And nothing sounds quite like a 303. One might argue that divide down oscillators have an identifiable sound. Any more? Vactrol filters?

[Prunesquallor]

@Hunterkiller

Well, there's Orbital. It's well known that they were using Imposcar 2 well before it was generally released, and they have an Andromeda. They could be simpatico.

[HunterKiller]

@Hunterkiller

Well, there's Orbital. It's well known that they were using Imposcar 2 well before it was generally released, and they have an Andromeda. They could be simpatico.

Of course, but they're a well known act.

Lots of ordinary guys out there with lotsa great analog gear worth immortalizing in software.

[atukao]

A vote for the SSM2040 filter chip and 'Poly-Mod' oscillator cross modulation section of the Prophet 5 Rev. 2.

The Prophet 5 is capable of some startlingly vivid sounds.