Prophet VS sounds with Zebra?

[EvilDragon]

If you are sampling a sample and redistributing it without permission it is illegal

Nope. EXTRACTING the sample from the ROM is illegal (see daDigital Reaktor ensemble which promptly got C&D'd by Roland). Sampling a synth is not illegal.

[PietW.]

If you are sampling a sample and redistributing it without permission it is illegal

Nope. EXTRACTING the sample from the ROM is illegal (see daDigital Reaktor ensemble which promptly got C&D'd by Roland). Sampling a synth is not illegal.

Exactly what Korg company has said.

[deastman]

I can't believe there has been eight pages of discussion about emulating a VS. I used to own one, but sold it because I never really cared for the sound of it. That thin, glassy sound which other have referred to gets old real fast, and then you just wish it could make some normal, rich, full, warm sounds. ..

At which point you turn to Zebra or Lush... Returning to your thin, glassy synth again when you need thin, glassy sounds

Meh. I really tried to like the VS, but it just had such an underwhelming sound. I can easily do thin, annoying sounds elsewhere if I really want to. Besides, I still have a Wavestation SR, Yamaha SY22, Waldorf Q, Blofeld, and DSI Poly Evolver Keyboard. So I think I have the vector thing, wavetable synthesis, and the original VS waveforms all adequately covered in other formats.

Edit: Oh yeah, and the MS-2000R. Perfect for harsh, thin sounds and wavesequencing.

[Vectorman]

I didn't find my VS all that incapable of full, warm sounds, at least pads and such. Four detuned oscillators plus the chorus could sound pretty expansive. I remember using mine for stuff like Rush's "Subdivisions" in cover bands and the sound I got for that sounded huge through the PA...definitely better than anything I could get out of lower-end analog synths like the Juno I also had at the time. I think the VS probably drew the most interest out of the various synths I had used in live bands from musicians coming up and asking, "What was that sound you played on such-and-such song?" A typical Moog bass or basic sawtooth pad just didn't prick people's ears up as much because they'd heard that stuff a lot before (20+ years ago when I had the VS, and still today).

The absence of a 2-dimensional vector envelope in Zebra isn't a big deal (though I assume implementing one would be fairly trivial compared to coding something like a new filter). Similar timbral movement can be accomplished by other means. An oscillator mode that produced the sort of pitch transposition artifacts that added character to the likes of the VS, PPG and ESQ, however...that could be useful and is hard to otherwise approximate no matter how clever your programming.

[Kriminal]

If you are sampling a sample and redistributing it without permission it is illegal

Nope. EXTRACTING the sample from the ROM is illegal (see daDigital Reaktor ensemble which promptly got C&D'd by Roland). Sampling a synth is not illegal.

Were do you think the raw waveforms he is sampling come from

[Ingonator]

If you are sampling a sample and redistributing it without permission it is illegal

Nope. EXTRACTING the sample from the ROM is illegal (see daDigital Reaktor ensemble which promptly got C&D'd by Roland). Sampling a synth is not illegal.

Were do you think the raw waveforms he is sampling come from

The waveforms are processed when sent to the synth output. As i understand Korg talks about using the ROM chip and getting waveforms directly from there.
With the software version which Piet used this is not possible anyway except you are able to get the waveforms from the DLL file.

I got the waveforms from the hardware and the is also some processing involved until the output of the synth. The waveforms in the hardware are 32 kHz at 16-bit, internal processing is 24-bit and the DAC has 19-bit.
This means that the output of the synth is not 100% identical to the waveforms in the ROM.

As i alraedy heard from other people in the past opposing to other companies Korg seems to be quite generous concerning samples of their synths, maybe a bit less with their latest ones.


Ingo

[EvilDragon]

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... 072#553072

"2. You can sample any instrument you like, acoustic or electronic (including sample-based synths). When you do this, you are the "creator of the work." You own it, you own the copyright, you can do anything you like with it."

[Kriminal]

If you are sampling a sample and redistributing it without permission it is illegal

Nope. EXTRACTING the sample from the ROM is illegal (see daDigital Reaktor ensemble which promptly got C&D'd by Roland). Sampling a synth is not illegal.

Were do you think the raw waveforms he is sampling come from

The waveforms are processed when sent to the synth output. As i understand Korg talks about using the ROM chip and getting waveforms directly from there.
With the software version which Piet used this is not possible anyway except you are able to get the waveforms from the DLL file.

I got the waveforms from the hardware and the is also some processing involved until the output of the synth. The waveforms in the hardware are 32 kHz at 16-bit, internal processing is 24-bit and the DAC has 19-bit.
This means that the output of the synth is not 100% identical to the waveforms in the ROM.

As i alraedy heard from other people in the past opposing to other companies Korg seems to be quite generous concerning samples of their synths, maybe a bit less with their latest ones.


Ingo

changing the rate/depth still results in the same sample....but if korg are happy for ppl to rip them off, so be it.

[Urs]

changing the rate/depth still results in the same sample....

Yet one thing is copyrighted, the other isn't. Raw waveform data in waveform ROM is, same data played back by synthesizer isn't.

[Spitfire31]

And with this definitive statement direct from the horse's mouth - can we finally lay this argument to rest?

/Joachim

[Kriminal]

changing the rate/depth still results in the same sample....

Yet one thing is copyrighted, the other isn't. Raw waveform data in waveform ROM is, same data played back by synthesizer isn't.

..and that varies company to company by the looks of it.

[Urs]

changing the rate/depth still results in the same sample....

Yet one thing is copyrighted, the other isn't. Raw waveform data in waveform ROM is, same data played back by synthesizer isn't.

..and that varies company to company by the looks of it.

Which company says otherwise, and why?

[Kriminal]

changing the rate/depth still results in the same sample....

Yet one thing is copyrighted, the other isn't. Raw waveform data in waveform ROM is, same data played back by synthesizer isn't.

..and that varies company to company by the looks of it.

Which company says otherwise, and why?

who: Roland and Yamaha about 5/6 years ago when i spoke to them

why: pretty obvious

i was going to sample the waveforms as raw as possible thru the relevant synths, not hack into the ROM, they didnt like that.

[Urs]

i was going to sample the waveforms as raw as possible thru the relevant synths, not hack into the ROM, they didnt like that.

Of course they don't like it. I wouldn't like it either if someone sampled Zebra and made a competing product from it. Yet I don't think there's any legal leverage against it.

(I'm quite happy though that I don't have to deal with this topic)

[Kriminal]

They both have better lawyers than me, they seemed happy to use them.