Precision Compressor / Limiter now available on T-RackS CS + AAX compatibility

[Tp3]

Imagine if the IK plugs used iLok. lol.

I imagine that every day - and before they wen't "CS" and "License Manager", I hoped they go E-Licenser again.

Still do actually, keeps down the noise from the usual suspects that despise IKM no matter what you do.


There, I said it - hate me now!

Maybe instead of using the brand "UAD" (which is already taken) you can use "U8ME" (you hate me) - which kind of sounds the same

(J/K of course )

I have bought one IK product in the past and I cannot recall it (registering) being such a painful experience.

I am so soaked to the bone with compressors... I think I'll wait to the end of the year

[SWAN808]

...but nothing about the actual plugins that were discounted, only complaints about them being discounted or the way in which you purchase them... I've explained current and potential future ways that may help make this easier to understand, so I guess that's that and nobody likes the other three? Maybe we were right in discounting them if they don't have any actual allure as plugins?

I think the deals with the credits is pretty good actually considering what you can get if you buy a pack. But Im afraid if you obscfucate the buying process as it is with credits and jam points (not to mention the CS shell) - you are going to get a certain amount of complaint.

[bishop666]

if that dual rectifier could be remodeled on this new level ..... someday

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

Whatever, buddy. Look, we wouldn't be having this friendly discussion if IK would simply sell their T-RackS products in the same manner as every other plugin vendor on the planet. I swear to you, if that were the case I'd be IK's #1 fan. The products ARE very good and fairly priced -- this new Neve compressor is, along with the SSL bus comp, in the same league as the best stuff out there, including UAD. It's just a shame that the work of IK's obviously talented developers is obscured by all the marketing BS.

Right, we wouldn't be having this discussion and you are entitled to your opinion, as always. We're doing things in a way that is thought-out, though I know you don't agree with it and may not think that's the case.

Not to mention that with the oh-so-generous 3-day demo period, it would be nice if CS were truly up 24/7, thus enabling the demos to run properly. Were you aware that IK's entire Web presence, including CS, was offline for several hours yesterday? That's not the first time that's happened, either. Who runs your IT department, PACE? Seriously, it's hard enough trying to assess a plugin's worth in such a short timeframe -- could we at least be able to run a demo without relying on your servers to be up? It's doubly important to put these things through their paces when the licenses are NFR.

I've already answered about the nightly maintenance going longer than usual in another thread. Thanks for taking some potshots at our I.T. staff, I'll send along your happy thoughts of encouragement.

Finally, I suggest adopting a more respectful tone towards the users of this and other forums. We're the ones who ultimately pay your bills, after all. Remember the timeless maxim, "THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT." It doesn't pay to provoke and get into arguments with us (myself included), especially in public. Especially when you're taking advantage of a free general-discussion forum to promote your products. OK, end of today's rant.

Cheers,
Eddie

I respect everybody here and I'm sure that there are many that would agree with me. Sorry that you don't feel it appropriate for me to point out where you are going beyond simply expressing an opinion and taking potshots without rolling over for you based on some 1950s outdated alleged business paradigm. I'm not arguing with you by my definition, but I'm certainly allowed to disagree and point out where I believe you are actually incorrect or being unduly harsh, as you have expressed the same to me. It is fun and wonderful that we are free to agree to disagree!

[Compyfox]

I can at least agree on the demo period. 3 days is just too short. Especially if you're not at a studio 24/7. At least consider 7 days, or a possibility to retest every 4-6 weeks for another 7 days. (3 times maximum)

The NFR thing is another massive turnoff - and if that will be changed (again), the fees should be reasonable, and not 20 quids (not credits!) extra.


I really like what IKM is doing sometimes. But I only got the CS to be up to date, and then simply didn't go for anything. The installation is still eating 1,2GB on my HDD - why? The large CS download, then the extracted files, then the "individual plugins".




But then again, I'm surprised that nobody is bitching about Native Instruments, which go a similar route with "flooding" us, only that you can pay with regular money (not micro-payments), but reselling is mostly not possible either. And you also need to be online in order to register your tools.

Do I remember another company with "custom shop"? Oh yeah, Line6! But nobody talks about Line6 anymore since Amplitube, GuitarRig (also custom shop!), Revalver (IIRC, also custom shop possible) and Torpedo WoS.



So, they (IKM) are not the only ones that pull that much crap. IKM is just in massive focus, since IKM is really active and prominent in here.

[Eddie TX]

Sorry that you don't feel it appropriate for me to point out where you are going beyond simply expressing an opinion and taking potshots without rolling over for you based on some 1950s outdated alleged business paradigm.

See, that's your whole problem. Showing respect for your customers is hardly an outdated idea. Companies who do so tend to be more successful. And yes, you ARE still arguing.

Cheers,
Eddie

[Eddie TX]

But then again, I'm surprised that nobody is bitching about Native Instruments, which go a similar route with "flooding" us, only that you can pay with regular money (not micro-payments), but reselling is mostly not possible either.

I suspect if an NI rep were on here promoting their stuff, there would be plenty of bitching in their threads. Rightfully so -- there is much to criticize. I personally find their demo/installation/licensing model for effect plugins very easy, and have had no trouble selling their stuff second-hand, but THIS thread is about IK, so why should we mention NI here?

Do I remember another company with "custom shop"? Oh yeah, Line6! But nobody talks about Line6 anymore since Amplitube, GuitarRig (also custom shop!), Revalver (IIRC, also custom shop possible) and Torpedo WoS.

Yes, but we're not talking about guitar shops here. I don't know about you, but I use guitar amp sims and effects very differently than mixing and mastering tools. IK thinks that what's good for Amplitube must be good for T-RackS. I disagree.

Cheers,
Eddie

[HcDoom]

Time to close this thread and open a new one specially dedicated to bitch1ng about CS. Also, someone should start a new one specially dedicated just to this compressor so people can comment it.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

Sorry that you don't feel it appropriate for me to point out where you are going beyond simply expressing an opinion and taking potshots without rolling over for you based on some 1950s outdated alleged business paradigm.

See, that's your whole problem. Showing respect for your customers is hardly an outdated idea. Companies who do so tend to be more successful. And yes, you ARE still arguing.

Cheers,
Eddie

And twisting something like you just did, when I clearly do respect and commit to respecting our customers, is called something too. But that's all right, you know exactly what I was talking about as outdated and clearly incorrect (there have been plenty of discussions about that little catchphrase, you can do the legwork and read up) and so does everybody else reading the thread - regardless of your twisting things to say something I did not. So yes, I'll argue that you're being kind of rudely manipulative and you clearly have some agenda which I'd be happy to discuss directly with you privately and clear up whatever is bugging you and then I'll be done "arguing" in this thread as I've expressed all I can and extended the offer for direct conversation and resolution of your issues. Have a fantastic day.

[kylen]

Now that you mention it, I wouldn't mind seeing a mix knob on the Precision and the Bus Comp. The VBC's I just acquired have it and it is really handy for running a full mix thru after the fact, IOW if you didn't mix into it.

Wonder if that FR is on the list?

[Eddie TX]

And twisting something like you just did, when I clearly do respect and commit to respecting our customers, is called something too. But that's all right, you know exactly what I was talking about as outdated and clearly incorrect (there have been plenty of discussions about that little catchphrase, you can do the legwork and read up) and so does everybody else reading the thread - regardless of your twisting things to say something I did not. So yes, I'll argue that you're being kind of rudely manipulative and you clearly have some agenda which I'd be happy to discuss directly with you privately and clear up whatever is bugging you and then I'll be done "arguing" in this thread as I've expressed all I can and extended the offer for direct conversation and resolution of your issues. Have a fantastic day.

Your accusations are uncalled for, unprofessional, and nonsensical. The only "agenda" I have is voicing my honest opinions about your company's business practices. You don't like it, that's understandable. But you're not doing yourself any favors by continuing to attack your customers. Not the best way to increase sales, IMHO. Have a fantastic day yourself, my friend.

Cheers,
Eddie

[SWAN808]

sorry but I dont think the customer is always right. Actually I think a company has the right to trade as it wishes - if the customer doesnt like it - it can vote with the wallet - but I dont feel like a company should be the slave of every different fickle customers whims...sometimes it seems like people expect a company to become their bitch - just for their filthy money. Well - there is no rule and a company can run itself however it chooses and use its own insight into what works for it and trade in any way it sees fit. I may not like the custom shop model - but I respect that IK are free to do as they like.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

First, thanks for the constructive FRs (yes, that one about mix knobs has been relayed, and sidechain functionality too but it is always good to hear how many people want a feature).

Beyond that, what else do people NEED? Is there room for some amazing EQs? I think there have been a few new ones out there recently that show there is space there... New creative FX? Or even new reverb (though let's not repeat the "mastering reverb" debate, or actually that's a cool debate really so carry on if you must, as T-RackS has a strong mixing context too of course)? Anything else?

What seems to be the most requested gear that isn't currently emulated, or infrequently modeled? I have an idea on that one but won't lead the conversation.

[paterpeter]

Beyond that, what else do people NEED? Is there room for some amazing EQs? I think there have been a few new ones out there recently that show there is space there... New creative FX? Or even new reverb (though let's not repeat the "mastering reverb" debate, or actually that's a cool debate really so carry on if you must, as T-RackS has a strong mixing context too of course)? Anything else?

The market for EQs, reverbs, compressors and hardware emulations is pretty crowded IMO. I'd rather like to see a couple of original creative (multi-) effects. It doesn't have to be hardware based if you ask me.

[HcDoom]

First, thanks for the constructive FRs (yes, that one about mix knobs has been relayed, and sidechain functionality too but it is always good to hear how many people want a feature).

Beyond that, what else do people NEED? Is there room for some amazing EQs? I think there have been a few new ones out there recently that show there is space there... New creative FX? Or even new reverb (though let's not repeat the "mastering reverb" debate, or actually that's a cool debate really so carry on if you must, as T-RackS has a strong mixing context too of course)? Anything else?

Definitely no to an EQ (unless you can make better than EQuilibrium) and reverbs (unless you can make better than 2C and Valhalla). Definitely YES to an API2500 and Distressor emulations (with mix knobs and sidechain functionalities).

EDIT:

And there is a place for a good delay in the market...ala EchoBoy.