Sytrus is back!

[geoslake]

Great job IL !!!
I'll finally be using this plugin I bought many many years ago
Great gui, love it.

[Teksonik]

Yes I'm looking forward to spending some time with Sytrus now that the GUI is easier to see and use. Sytrus was always underrated in my opinion and I think due to it's very small and hard to read GUI.

Now it will take it's rightful place in the upper echelon of synths.....

[Numanoid]

Would be great if IL thought about lowering the price of Sytrus, $99 seems more fair these days than $179 (especially seeing that IL add VAT on top).

Would make the plug affordable to a lot more users, and would thus help the resurgence of it.

[brainzistor]

Would be great if IL thought about lowering the price of Sytrus, $99 seems more fair these days than $179 (especially seeing that IL add VAT on top).

Would make the plug affordable to a lot more users, and would thus help the resurgence of it.

$99?
FM8 is $149 and Sytrus when compared to it is on another level because of drawable envelopes (which makes it non-linear) and because it's not just a FM synth.

I think that the main reason why Sytrus is $179 is because it is now included in Producer Edition (PE) which is $200, so IL is trying to lure people into buying FL Studio.

I personally wouldn't give Sytrus for below $130.
I think that you are underestimating it because even though Sytrus is 10+ years old it's highly relevant today because of dubstep, neuro dnb and similar genres.
With its FM nature it's very easy to create nasty growls and especially because it has drawable envelopes it's easy to jerk around with operators in a way you can't do in bajillion of other synths and to constantly get new sounds and because of its FM nature everything sounds clinically clean.

Those genres are not really my cup of tea, but I'm aware what people like SeamlessR are doing with it and some other people.
For those genres Sytrus is like a gold mine.

[Numanoid]

I think that you are underestimating it because even though Sytrus is 10+ years old it's highly relevant today

But other vendors, like Arturia, Linplug (to mention some examples) have marked down the prices of their plugs.

The market is much more saturated than it was 10 years ago.

Today, why should a newbie invest in Sytrus or FM8, when can have Dexed for free ?

[Numanoid]

double post

[brainzistor]

But other vendors, like Arturia, Linplug (to mention some examples) have marked down the prices of their plugs.
The market is much more saturated than it was 10 years ago.

That's all true, but those companies at the same time are not selling DAW for $200 with their xyz synth included in it, aren't they? Sytrus has been an Image-Line's flagship synth for years and nowadays it shares that spot with Harmor.

Today, why should a newbie invest in Sytrus or FM8, when can have Dexed for free ?

I think that you are making a bad analogy. It's like asking why a newbie should buy Sylenth1 when he can have Synth1 for free with over 20.000 of presets available. I mean, with such analogy it makes no sense to buy or even to own any other synth.
But Sytrus is not just a FM synth, it can do subtractive, RM, additive and FM synthesis, it can import and export waveforms, it has a 256 partial editor, drawable envelopes, etc, etc.
Depending what you do with it, it can be very light on CPU.
For example, this track done by SeamlessR uses Sytrus (and vocoder) and with all effects included it uses around 2GHz of CPU power, I know this because this track is included in FL Studio in demo projects:




Is it missing something when it comes to modern sound? No.
10+ years old synth, several instances, the whole project uses around 2GHz of CPU power.
Nowadays synths with just one instance use more CPU power.

You don't just "throw away" synth like Sytrus and give it that cheap ($99, like you said) because if it sounds good and uses small CPU power then it becomes a working horse, a go to synth and it was my a go to synth for several years because of all said reasons until because of its microscopic GUI it became painful to work with it and with a new vectorized GUI it's such a pleasure to work with it again.
The main thing which I was missing is its non-linear nature because of drawable envelopes.

A couple of months ago I was explaining to a friend of mine what drawable envelopes can do and I created simple example to showcase it in a understandable way, because it's hard to grasp it with something complicated, then I created example to explain it someone here on KVR too:

https://soundcloud.com/user-67104555/sytrus-guitar

I applied random mapping to pitch, so that the sound gets more variety by playing lower 5th notes when arpeggio is played, that's why it lasts a bit long, just to show it how it works.

Now, on the other instance (that starts somewhere at 50 seconds), same preset, I turned on waveshaper and made a custom envelope for Cut off:



which gave me that howling feedback sound.
Without drawable envelope there wouldn't be that howling feedback sound, you can't make it with the linear approach.
What it seems like the dumbest thing on Earth to do can give you interesting results
and that was just screwing around with just one operator and there are 5 more...

Now, if you go and read its manual:
https://www.image-line.com/support/FLHe ... Sytrus.htm

there's literally NO WAY that Sytrus can be a $99 synth.

[Numanoid]

That's all true, but those companies at the same time are not selling DAW for $200 with their xyz synth included in it, aren't they? Sytrus has been an Image-Line's flagship synth for years and nowadays it shares that spot with Harmor.

Just goes to show that Sytrus standalone is overpriced.

I mean if it is included with FL Studio at $200, why sell it for $179 by itself ?

[exmatproton]

That's all true, but those companies at the same time are not selling DAW for $200 with their xyz synth included in it, aren't they? Sytrus has been an Image-Line's flagship synth for years and nowadays it shares that spot with Harmor.

Just goes to show that Sytrus standalone is overpriced.

I mean if it is included with FL Studio at $200, why sell it for $179 by itself ?

The vst version isn't included in that fl studio version. Sure, the fl version is included, but the vsti must be bought seperatly.
So, if you go to buy fl studio, you have a daw + sytrus (fl version) for around 200. If you use another daw and need the vsti version, you have to buy it seperatly. Seems fair enough

[brainzistor]

Just goes to show that Sytrus standalone is overpriced.
I mean if it is included with FL Studio at $200, why sell it for $179 by itself ?

I wrote this in my first reply, yet you are going back to it again:

I think that the main reason why Sytrus is $179 is because it is now included in Producer Edition (PE) which is $200, so IL is trying to lure people into buying FL Studio.

[exmatproton]

Just goes to show that Sytrus standalone is overpriced.
I mean if it is included with FL Studio at $200, why sell it for $179 by itself ?

I wrote this in my first reply, yet you are going back to it again:

I think that the main reason why Sytrus is $179 is because it is now included in Producer Edition (PE) which is $200, so IL is trying to lure people into buying FL Studio.

No, the FL version is included (free of charge in the DAW). Not the VSTi version (179 as a VSTi).

It is quite simple;

If you go for the DAW, IL gives you the FL version.
If you use another DAW and want/need Sytrus, you will pay for the VSTi version of the synth. Which, in my books, seems pretty reasonable.

[Muziksculp]

Looking forward to the official release of the new GUI of the VST-version of Sytrus.

Sytrus is a great sounding Synth (one of my favorites), and it would surely benefit from the new GUI. Hopefully this is not too far away.

[geoslake]

Oh ehmm, just noticed, you cannot automate much, at least, none of the waveshaper sliders (which is such a shame), nor the fm matrix knobs...or am I doing something wrong ?

[brainzistor]

No, the FL version is included (free of charge in the DAW). Not the VSTi version (179 as a VSTi).
It is quite simple;
If you go for the DAW, IL gives you the FL version.
If you use another DAW and want/need Sytrus, you will pay for the VSTi version of the synth. Which, in my books, seems pretty reasonable.

I didn't say anywhere that you are getting VSTi version by buying FL Studio PE.
It was pointless to even talk about it because Numanoid has FL Studio, he knows all of that and that's the point you are missing and the reason why I wasn't even discussing it.
Btw I started using Fruity in version 4.10 and have Sytrus since it came out in version 4.5, iirc.

[brainzistor]

Oh ehmm, just noticed, you cannot automate much, at least, none of the waveshaper sliders (which is such a shame), nor the fm matrix knobs...or am I doing something wrong ?

Waveshaper doesn't have sliders, but knobs and they can be automated (it can be done in FL Studio version, don't about the VSTi version).

Matrix knobs can't be automated directly, but you can create custom volume envelopes within Sytrus for operators and that way to control the sound. Same thing stands for FX or filter.
That's what all those who use Sytrus for dubstep, neuro and similar genres are doing, "jerking off" operators by creating custom envelopes within Sytrus and then automating the volume knob of operator (the one that is in operator's tab). But no, you can't automate matrix knobs directly.