New Wolfgang Palm (PPG Infinite) tool coming...

[ZeePok]

Okay, I am not criticizing or complaining. Just making an observation and also a little curious.

I wonder how many sales they're going to lose because of people afraid to take a chance on purchasing without at least being able to find out if it works on their system or not first?

I mean think about it. In US currency, it's about $150. That isn't a small amount of money to just say "Oh well, it doesn't work. I guess I'm out $150." I don't know how many people would be willing to take that chance.

When the demo finally comes out and they CAN test it, the price will be about $40 more or close to $200. How many people are going to ultimately say "Too rich for my blood. They could have had a sale if only I could have tested it first, but, oh well."

This is a valid question when you're talking about this amount of money and the no refund policy is clearly stated.

Not only does it make me wonder how many sales they're going to lose but also makes me wonder if this isn't a deliberate attempt to cut down on the number of sales so that they have fewer people to deal with as far as support requests.

I am not a Wolfgang Palm PPG hater. I purchased both Wavemapper 2 and Wavegenerator. But I was able to demo them both first and they weren't that expensive. I got Wavemapper 2 for $113 and Wavegenerator for $117. Neither was on sale but still cheaper than Infinite even with Infinite's intro price. Paying almost double for a synth without being able to at least see if it works is quite risky.

And finally, all the people who are going to ultimately crucify me for this post (because you know that's coming) I wonder how many of them either...

1) Got the software for free because they're a beta tester

or

2) Have so much money to burn that losing $150 is peanuts for them should the synth not work

For some of us poor folks, it's not so easy to take that kind of leap of faith.

So again, I gotta wonder. How much money is PPG losing because of this policy?

Obviously nobody knows including PPG but it does make one wonder.

Well, at least it makes me wonder.

 
I for one won't take the gamble, because also: No Refunds.

[simmo75]

Quick question for owners.

I got sent a link today for the latest version and installed it but when I open the ‘about’ page it still shows as version 1.0.

Is this how it looks for you guys?

I used all my download credits trying to get the last version going so they sent me a different link.

I thought they might’ve reset my downloads but don’t appear they will.

[c_voltage]

After purchase of Wavegenerator and Wavemapper vsti's i am become a fan of this, frankly to say this is synths in which I like everything feature. Though i fan as well overall Waldorf approach to synthesis, so my perceptions can be somewhat subjective, and PPG Wave 2V in my favorites long time, but Wolfgang's plugins impressed me in a new way. It's hard to explain - there are synths with an more extensive set of possibilities, but not so tasty (or "delicious", not sure how better say in english).

And about Infinite, it seems i will not have time to grab it for intro price too, but will buy in end of month, though frankly i not from category "Have so much money", but just on the wave of impressions from first two (three) synths, can say as if in tribute from this (or as a sign of respect for the author). As well, frankly 30 bucks difference, well, darn with it.

[plexuss]

(snip...)
Well, at least it makes me wonder.

We won't know the facts. So we can only guess or estimate and accept the risks. It stands to reason they would lose sales without a demo considering their T&Cs. One thing to consider is the time and effort to both develop a synth and to market it. It's a lot of work. And they are likely racing a timeline too, wanting to get it out as soon as possible. It's not a bad strategt to target the Dec holidays because normally they don't offer sales so its a good way to kill two birds with one stone: an product release with an intro price AND the perception of a sale. That would satiate the peanut gallery that can get very vocal about their self-generated entitements. But that's another story. So targetting this time of year is a good strategy. They likely had to prioritize what features and functions to go with for the first released, along with ensuring it actually works. Imagine what is involved in trying to support so many different platforms! So it makes sense in this case to make the demo a lower priority. Get the working product out. They probably know the power of GAS. Then go into steady-state with the higher price AND the demo. The first batch that sell without a demo can act as a marketting vehicle - people making demos, videos, songs and talking about it over social media. And being "boutique" means you get bragging rights which helps with marketing.

All in all seems like a good strategy... for a capitalist. I abhor capitalism so my take may be different than yours.

I bought it. I figured it likely work and if not I know WP is fast to fix problems. The day after I discovered it doesn't support 96k project rate and let them know, they released a working update. Then some were having install problems and in a few days they fixed that. This is acceptible, to me, anyway.

The cost was around $180 Canadian - very expensive. That's Wolfgang Palm for you... the guy is an innovator. When you buy a WP instrument you are buying a piece of the mind of a genius that is also a very music instrument. That costs money. And you have to accept the risks, otherwise stay away. Genius isn't perfect.

[wagtunes]

(snip...)
Well, at least it makes me wonder.

We won't know the facts. So we can only guess or estimate and accept the risks. It stands to reason they would lose sales without a demo considering their T&Cs. One thing to consider is the time and effort to both develop a synth and to market it. It's a lot of work. And they are likely racing a timeline too, wanting to get it out as soon as possible. It's not a bad strategt to target the Dec holidays because normally they don't offer sales so its a good way to kill two birds with one stone: an product release with an intro price AND the perception of a sale. That would satiate the peanut gallery that can get very vocal about their self-generated entitements. But that's another story. So targetting this time of year is a good strategy. They likely had to prioritize what features and functions to go with for the first released, along with ensuring it actually works. Imagine what is involved in trying to support so many different platforms! So it makes sense in this case to make the demo a lower priority. Get the working product out. They probably know the power of GAS. Then go into steady-state with the higher price AND the demo. The first batch that sell without a demo can act as a marketting vehicle - people making demos, videos, songs and talking about it over social media. And being "boutique" means you get bragging rights which helps with marketing.

All in all seems like a good strategy... for a capitalist. I abhor capitalism so my take may be different than yours.

I bought it. I figured it likely work and if not I know WP is fast to fix problems. The day after I discovered it doesn't support 96k project rate and let them know, they released a working update. Then some were having install problems and in a few days they fixed that. This is acceptible, to me, anyway.

The cost was around $180 Canadian - very expensive. That's Wolfgang Palm for you... the guy is an innovator. When you buy a WP instrument you are buying a piece of the mind of a genius that is also a very music instrument. That costs money. And you have to accept the risks, otherwise stay away. Genius isn't perfect.

I get it. In other words, this one isn't for everybody.

Even buying addicts like myself.

[svart]

Can it really perform straight forward morphing, like let's say a simple cymbal sound into meow cat or a flute? A simple from A to B morph?

Yes it can.

Could you provide an example please? I'm hooked

don't see any demo, is there any?

 
If you mean a Trial version, that won't be released earlier than January.

So not possible to test it within the intro price period

Too bad, as i really enjoyed the ipad version, and was really looking forward to see whether my average laptop would handle it...no need to think about that anymore.

[plexuss]

(snip...)
Well, at least it makes me wonder.

[snip...] Genius isn't perfect.

I get it. In other words, this one isn't for everybody.

Even buying addicts like myself.

"In the maze of moebius streets we're trying to amuse ourselves to death
Under the deep sky that's squatting so close over us tonight
You'd think it was trying to hatch us
The numb and confused
The battered and bruised
The counters of cost
And the star-crossed
You pay your money and you take your chance
When you're dealing with love and romance"

- Bruce Cockburn, "You Pay Your Money And You Take Your Chance"

[wagtunes]

(snip...)
Well, at least it makes me wonder.

[snip...] Genius isn't perfect.

I get it. In other words, this one isn't for everybody.

Even buying addicts like myself.

"In the maze of moebius streets we're trying to amuse ourselves to death
Under the deep sky that's squatting so close over us tonight
You'd think it was trying to hatch us
The numb and confused
The battered and bruised
The counters of cost
And the star-crossed
You pay your money and you take your chance
When you're dealing with love and romance"

- Bruce Cockburn, "You Pay Your Money And You Take Your Chance"

Guess that's a song I gotta go listen to now. lol

[pdxindy]

Too bad, as i really enjoyed the ipad version, and was really looking forward to see whether my average laptop would handle it...no need to think about that anymore.

It uses very little CPU... even at 96khz and a bunch of notes, the cpu is never near the limit. I'm using a 2016 MBP 15"

It does have functionality that the iPad version does not. But the iPad version makes a good demo otherwise.

[pdxindy]

So I have the iPad version, is the desktop version that different?

The desktop 'Pro' has the analyzer. You can import your own audio. It has 6 different analysis modes.

It also has additional functionality in the morpher that you can move or automate the morpher X/Y pad and record a new resource from the result.

Those are the 2 differences I know of... could be more... or not

[Neon Breath]

Can it really perform straight forward morphing, like let's say a simple cymbal sound into meow cat or a flute? A simple from A to B morph?

Yes it can.

Could you provide an example please? I'm hooked

don't see any demo, is there any?

There’s a demo of the morphing on the PPG website.

Which one? I've checked them and nope, there's no straight forward from A to B morphing between two clean and recognizable sound sources, everything sounds synthish and melted together like a mishmash. Show me a true morphing in Infinite between two sounds like this:

[simmo75]

Can it really perform straight forward morphing, like let's say a simple cymbal sound into meow cat or a flute? A simple from A to B morph?

Yes it can.

Could you provide an example please? I'm hooked

don't see any demo, is there any?

There’s a demo of the morphing on the PPG website.

Which one? I've checked them and nope, there's no straight forward from A to B morphing between two clean and recognizable sound sources, everything sounds synthish and melted together like a mishmash. Show me a true morphing in Infinite between two sounds like this:

Ok dude. Seems to morph pretty damn nicely to me. I’m loving it!

[Neon Breath]

@Simon, what do you think about my question since you are using Infinite and also resynthesis & morphing is you cup of tea? Can you post something as an example with a clean recognizable resynthesized sound sources, concrete sounds, and make them morph from one to the other?

Thanks!

[pdxindy]

Oddly... it seems you can automate the Y axis of the Morpher X/Y but not the X axis...

[wagtunes]

Oddly... it seems you can automate the Y axis of the Morpher X/Y but not the X axis...

I think Wavemapper 2 and Wavegenrator are like that as well.