Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog

[ENV1]

Another disadvantage this has that software doesn't: you can't demo it. Given potential compatibility problems, that seems like a big flaw.

Not sure what you mean by 'software doesnt'.

Because your list on the last page could be used to describe plugins just as well.

(In fact lets do that just for the sake of the point.)

-- one instance of a mono/paraphonic synth

Many softsynths are fully monophonic and people still buy them, fully aware that multiple instances wont make them polyphonic either.

-- on a USB 2.0 dongle

Many plugins need one just for the Copy Protection.

-- with no analog outputs

No plugin has these either.

-- with no physical controls

No plugin has these either.

-- with added latency

Many plugins have latency too.

-- which is partially digital, stuck with its built-in DAC and runs at 44.1kHz

All plugins are fully digital, no matter what DAC and SR you run them on/at.

-- which doesn't even run on Windows 7, which still outnumbers Windows 10 installations

A lot of plugins dont run on all versions of Windows or MacOS either.

-- which may have compatibility problems with some audio interface drivers

Many plugins have compatibility problems with the host software they are running under.

-- with a claimed analog oscillator design that they are being vague and cagey about

Software synths definitely have digital oscillators and in 99.9% of the cases we know nothing about them at all.

-- not available from US retailers

There are plugin vendors that only sell from their homecountry too.

-- for a slightly higher price than something like a Meeblip or Volca which has none of those disadvantages

Many plugins are a lot more expensive and some of them have even more disadvantages.

-- from a company you've never heard of

Plugin developers are usually unknown at first too.

People bought their stuff anyhow, thats how they became known.

Another disadvantage this has that software doesn't: you can't demo it.

There are plenty of plugins that dont have a demo.


Not an attack, just showing how the other side of the coin doesnt look much different.

[Cinebient]

I still didn‘t hear a really better sound as my software but i still could imagine to try it myself.
I mean if i order something from amazon i can send it back if it doesn‘t sound like i want within 14 days.

[layzer]

does the usb stick have any knobs or sliders or even a pitch and mod wheel on it?

[monomaker]

From the sound demos it seems like it can't compete with a budget analogue like the Monologue (although the bandpass filter is nice). It sounds like they've based the filter on the Polivoks, but sounds nowhere near as juicy as Shruthi's Polivoks filter which you could get for a few quid more (or DIY for a few quid less).

It's a nice idea, but I'm not hearing anything special from the demos so far, plus no microtuning makes it pretty much useless to me. I hope it works out for the devs because it could be the start of a good thing, but in a market suddenly full of cheap analogue options it doesn't stand out as a vital purchase. Maybe I've just not heard the right demo yet.

[WSAudio]

Hello Everyone!

I'm Will from WS Audio. I'm really happy to see all this interest in Trueno!

In answer to your more frequently asked questions:

Is it real?
Yes.

Windows 7 support:
Microsoft re-wrote the Windows USB system for Windows 8/10 which is why there is no backwards compatibility with Windows 7 as it would require a significant amount of effort to get working. While I'm aware Windows 7 is still quite widely used, it's over 8 years old now and the number of people using it is only going to decrease with time, so that's why I didn't think it was worth pursuing. So basically, it seems unlikely we'll be supporting Windows 7 in the near future. Sorry!

Availability Outside Europe:
We're limiting sales to Europe for the first batch. As you may be aware, electronics require different EMI/EMC certifications for different countries, these tests are quite expensive so we're not doing until we've sold a few in Europe.

Do let me know if you have any more questions.

[EvilDragon]

I work at 48k (without exceptions!), how would Trueno fit my workflow?

[SLiC]

Hello Everyone!

I'm Will from WS Audio. I'm really happy to see all this interest in Trueno!

In answer to your more frequently asked questions:

Is it real?
Yes.

Windows 7 support:
Microsoft re-wrote the Windows USB system for Windows 8/10 which is why there is no backwards compatibility with Windows 7 as it would require a significant amount of effort to get working. While I'm aware Windows 7 is still quite widely used, it's over 8 years old now and the number of people using it is only going to decrease with time, so that's why I didn't think it was worth pursuing. So basically, it seems unlikely we'll be supporting Windows 7 in the near future. Sorry!

Availability Outside Europe:
We're limiting sales to Europe for the first batch. As you may be aware, electronics require different EMI/EMC certifications for different countries, these tests are quite expensive so we're not doing until we've sold a few in Europe.

Do let me know if you have any more questions.

Welcome!

You certainly have an interesting product and you will do doubt get a lot of interest (some good, some bad!) from KVR members (+ gearslutz, synthopia etc)

Given the cost I am happy to try one of these things as soon as they pop up on amazon in the UK (I have bookmarked the page

I only really have a few questions- what is the expected latency and how does it aggregate under windows wit the main sound card/driver- is it like Virus TI/Overbridge?

[Cinebient]

Hello Everyone!

I'm Will from WS Audio. I'm really happy to see all this interest in Trueno!

In answer to your more frequently asked questions:

Is it real?
Yes.

Windows 7 support:
Microsoft re-wrote the Windows USB system for Windows 8/10 which is why there is no backwards compatibility with Windows 7 as it would require a significant amount of effort to get working. While I'm aware Windows 7 is still quite widely used, it's over 8 years old now and the number of people using it is only going to decrease with time, so that's why I didn't think it was worth pursuing. So basically, it seems unlikely we'll be supporting Windows 7 in the near future. Sorry!

Availability Outside Europe:
We're limiting sales to Europe for the first batch. As you may be aware, electronics require different EMI/EMC certifications for different countries, these tests are quite expensive so we're not doing until we've sold a few in Europe.

Do let me know if you have any more questions.

Hello, thank‘s for chiming in.
I‘m undecided but somewhat interested as well.
What i would like to see are some extended you-tube videos and hear some extreme modulations, filter FM and stuff.
I also miss any mention of velocity here.

[WSAudio]

I work at 48k (without exceptions!), how would Trueno fit my workflow?

You'd have to record all the output in 44.1K project then import and resample into your main project - so not very easily unfortunately! We could add internal resampling into the plugin if that's a widely requested feature, but didn't originally because it adds latency and I thought it would be better to allow users to choose their resampling algorithm.

[WSAudio]

Hello Everyone!

I'm Will from WS Audio. I'm really happy to see all this interest in Trueno!

In answer to your more frequently asked questions:

Is it real?
Yes.

Windows 7 support:
Microsoft re-wrote the Windows USB system for Windows 8/10 which is why there is no backwards compatibility with Windows 7 as it would require a significant amount of effort to get working. While I'm aware Windows 7 is still quite widely used, it's over 8 years old now and the number of people using it is only going to decrease with time, so that's why I didn't think it was worth pursuing. So basically, it seems unlikely we'll be supporting Windows 7 in the near future. Sorry!

Availability Outside Europe:
We're limiting sales to Europe for the first batch. As you may be aware, electronics require different EMI/EMC certifications for different countries, these tests are quite expensive so we're not doing until we've sold a few in Europe.

Do let me know if you have any more questions.

Welcome!

You certainly have an interesting product and you will do doubt get a lot of interest (some good, some bad!) from KVR members (+ gearslutz, synthopia etc)

Given the cost I am happy to try one of these things as soon as they pop up on amazon in the UK (I have bookmarked the page

I only really have a few questions- what is the expected latency and how does it aggregate under windows wit the main sound card/driver- is it like Virus TI/Overbridge?

Thank you!

So, the amount of latency really depends on what system and audio interface you're using, it adapts depending on the timing intervals between audio buffer requests which depend on your OS, DAW and Audio Interface - so it's hard to predict!

On my Windows system I get an added latency of 771 samples or about 17.5ms. On DAWs that implement latency compensation properly, all your plugins would be delayed by 771 samples, so there won't be any timing issues.

Trueno doesn't work like an audio interface, its audio just comes out of the plugin, there's a built in recording function (which compensates for the added latency) or you can just record the plugins output from your DAW (which sometimes doesn't compensate for the added latency).

Hope that helped.

[Reefius]

Will it be possible to use multiple instances (like software synths) or does it work like any hardware synth where 1 synth = 1 instance?

So if I make a song and want to use 3 instances of Trueno, do I need to buy 3 of those USB sticks?

[WSAudio]

Hello Everyone!

I'm Will from WS Audio. I'm really happy to see all this interest in Trueno!

In answer to your more frequently asked questions:

Is it real?
Yes.

Windows 7 support:
Microsoft re-wrote the Windows USB system for Windows 8/10 which is why there is no backwards compatibility with Windows 7 as it would require a significant amount of effort to get working. While I'm aware Windows 7 is still quite widely used, it's over 8 years old now and the number of people using it is only going to decrease with time, so that's why I didn't think it was worth pursuing. So basically, it seems unlikely we'll be supporting Windows 7 in the near future. Sorry!

Availability Outside Europe:
We're limiting sales to Europe for the first batch. As you may be aware, electronics require different EMI/EMC certifications for different countries, these tests are quite expensive so we're not doing until we've sold a few in Europe.

Do let me know if you have any more questions.

Hello, thank‘s for chiming in.
I‘m undecided but somewhat interested as well.
What i would like to see are some extended you-tube videos and hear some extreme modulations, filter FM and stuff.
I also miss any mention of velocity here.

Yes, I agree some YT videos would definitely be helpful. I'm sending one later to Tomislav from bedroomproducersblog.com, who has offered to do a video review - hopefully that'll be available in a few weeks (I'm sure he'll do a better job than I would).

Yes it is velocity sensitive, velocity can be routed to any parameter from the bottom of the UI.

[bpblog]

Yes, I agree some YT videos would definitely be helpful. I'm sending one later to Tomislav from bedroomproducersblog.com, who has offered to do a video review - hopefully that'll be available in a few weeks (I'm sure he'll do a better job than I would).

Hey Will and everyone else on KVR! I'm looking forward to testing Trueno and posting the video ASAP. I'll keep an eye on this topic to include answers to any burning questions in the review.

[do_androids_dream]

I find the fact that there are digital oscillators far more exciting than the analog ones. Digital osc + analog filter is the winning combo for me. So it operates as a plugin - is that 32 bit as well as the presumed 64 bit?

[WSAudio]

Will it be possible to use multiple instances (like software synths) or does it work like any hardware synth where 1 synth = 1 instance?

So if I make a song and want to use 3 instances of Trueno, do I need to buy 3 of those USB sticks?

Yes, you can use as many instances of the VST/AU as you want, only one can output sound at a time. So, the usual workflow is to bounce the audio output as you go along (with the built in recording function). This means you can always go back to an instance to change something later and re-record.

Unfortunately the software doesn't currently support more than 1 USB stick. But that's something that I could easily add, I'm just not sure it would work very nicely.