Ableton Live 10 Released

[machinesworking]

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/playti ... s-projects

Thank you. This is really neat.

Lol no it isn't. It's a half arsed buggy hack not worth the download even if it was free. Seriously, just because some random person decides to make some easy dollars off gullible fools by copying ideas from another program and implementing them via a crude and limited API doesnt mean the result is anything resembling the original.

Christ? did the developer sleep with your girlfriend?
Where in "This is really neat." did you read that it was a 100% replacement for Live?

I haven't bought it yet, but playing around with the demo it's pretty cool, especially for $20. I couldn't give a shit whether someone else has done something first, with that logic all we would have DAW wise would be Pro Tools, because they were the first to represent audio files as waveforms on a timeline that you could edit.. and I certainly don't expect a $20 extension to be as well developed as a 17 year old DAW, but at this time I expect my DAW to support MPE and have VCA faders so..

[pottering]

https://twitter.com/markmsb/status/961618839996915712

Celebrating the launch of Ableton Live 10, here's a free multi-track analyser: https://marktowers.net/2018/01/14/multi-analyser/

[thecontrolcentre]

https://twitter.com/markmsb/status/961618839996915712

Celebrating the launch of Ableton Live 10, here's a free multi-track analyser: https://marktowers.net/2018/01/14/multi-analyser/

Nice one. Thanks for the link ...
There's a video here:
https://vimeo.com/251038537

I expect my DAW to support MPE and have VCA faders so..

Are Group Tracks in Live different from VCA faders? Id not heard of them before ... thanks

[zenophilix]

https://twitter.com/markmsb/status/961618839996915712

Celebrating the launch of Ableton Live 10, here's a free multi-track analyser: https://marktowers.net/2018/01/14/multi-analyser/

Nice one. Thanks for the link ...
There's a video here:
https://vimeo.com/251038537

I expect my DAW to support MPE and have VCA faders so..

Are Group Tracks in Live different from VCA faders? Id not heard of them before ... thanks

Group tracks and VCAs seem like they'd work pretty much the same.. Groups within groups doesn't hurt either.

https://twitter.com/markmsb/status/961618839996915712

Celebrating the launch of Ableton Live 10, here's a free multi-track analyser: https://marktowers.net/2018/01/14/multi-analyser/

This looks like fun. Just the thing when you're EDITING MULTIPLE MIDI CLIPS!!

[munk808]

is anyone noticing significant increase in the CPU usage? I'm barely running any tracks (4) with stock audio effects and the CPU is spiking like crazy with audio cracklings and unresponsiveness.

Had none of these problems in Live 9 with the same amount of tracks and processing.

I'm using a i7 7700hq laptop with 16gb RAM so it is supposed to handle Ableton fine. Live 10 doesn't seem optimized to me, just close it and went back to 9 because I can't even compose without freezing all of my tracks.

[zenophilix]

is anyone noticing significant increase in the CPU usage? I'm barely running any tracks (4) with stock audio effects and the CPU is spiking like crazy with audio cracklings and unresponsiveness.

Had none of these problems in Live 9 with the same amount of tracks and processing.

I'm using a i7 7700hq laptop with 16gb RAM so it is supposed to handle Ableton fine. Live 10 doesn't seem optimized to me, just close it and went back to 9 because I can't even compose without freezing all of my tracks.

Oddly enough, I was having really bad problems with crackling when loading up stock Wavetable patches. Then I switched back to the FL ASIO leftover from when I demoed FL. So evidently, in my case at least, PreSonus' ASIO drivers are to blame.

[Brother Charles]

Hi munk.

Completely the opposite here for me. I'm using a similarly speced system and an ESI U86XT & U168XT USB 2.0 interface(s). I'm observing substantially lower CPU consumption and very good multi-thread core scaling. Even intense plug-ins like Waves' ABR Plates are working better for me in Live 10, than in any DAW I have installed; except Reaper. Live 10 Suite is outperforming Studio One Pro 3.55, Cakewalk Platinum, Mixcraft Pro Studio 8, Samplitude Pro X2/X3, and Mixbus 4 on this end.

is anyone noticing significant increase in the CPU usage? I'm barely running any tracks (4) with stock audio effects and the CPU is spiking like crazy with audio cracklings and unresponsiveness.

Had none of these problems in Live 9 with the same amount of tracks and processing.

I'm using a i7 7700hq laptop with 16gb RAM so it is supposed to handle Ableton fine. Live 10 doesn't seem optimized to me, just close it and went back to 9 because I can't even compose without freezing all of my tracks.

[tooneba]

CPU problems are reported by people in official forums.

[munk808]

CPU problems are reported by people in official forums.

also noticed the Multicore toggle is no longer a thing in Live 10, could that be the problem?

[munk808]

Hi munk.

Completely the opposite here for me. I'm using a similarly speced system and an ESI U86XT & U168XT USB 2.0 interface(s). I'm observing substantially lower CPU consumption and very good multi-thread core scaling. Even intense plug-ins like Waves' ABR Plates are working better for me in Live 10, than in any DAW I have installed; except Reaper. Live 10 Suite is outperforming Studio One Pro 3.55, Cakewalk Platinum, Mixcraft Pro Studio 8, Samplitude Pro X2/X3, and Mixbus 4 on this end.

is anyone noticing significant increase in the CPU usage? I'm barely running any tracks (4) with stock audio effects and the CPU is spiking like crazy with audio cracklings and unresponsiveness.

Had none of these problems in Live 9 with the same amount of tracks and processing.

I'm using a i7 7700hq laptop with 16gb RAM so it is supposed to handle Ableton fine. Live 10 doesn't seem optimized to me, just close it and went back to 9 because I can't even compose without freezing all of my tracks.

shame because I really like thew new QoL improvements and new UI. Going to suck go back to Live 9 while this gets fixed.

[kevpierce.nc]

Any change in Max 8?

I think it's built into Live now. It doesn't require the separate Max program anymore. There wasn't a dedicated new pack entirely for Max as far as I could tell. Incidentally, there's a convolution reverb pack that was a surprise to me.

[munk808]

Any change in Max 8?

I think it's built into Live now. It doesn't require the separate Max program anymore. There wasn't a dedicated new pack entirely for Max as far as I could tell. Incidentally, there's a convolution reverb pack that was a surprise to me.

Ableton bought Cycling 74, it was coming any day

[machinesworking]

Any change in Max 8?

I think it's built into Live now. It doesn't require the separate Max program anymore. There wasn't a dedicated new pack entirely for Max as far as I could tell. Incidentally, there's a convolution reverb pack that was a surprise to me.

Ableton bought Cycling 74, it was coming any day

It's still a separate program, but Live is packaged with it now. Not an issue to me but a Max/MSP guy i know was kinda disappointed it was just more tightly integrated rather than actually embedded completely, it still runs as separate program when you call up the editor etc.

[machinesworking]

Group tracks and VCAs seem like they'd work pretty much the same.. Groups within groups doesn't hurt either.

Not at all, group tracks are essentially busses, all the audio from the sub tracks is routed through a single track, the sends are still separate in this scenario, so the sends actually act differently on the audio when you raise and lower the group master track or bus. the overall volume is being lowered but your sends are not being lowered since each track is still firing away at whatever DB it's set to.
VCA faders lower the volume of all the tracks without messing up the mix to sends etc. If you've ever lowered the volume of multiple tracks by temporarily grouping them by selecting them in Live you will notice that it messes with the mix you had as well when you do this. This is another scenario where VCA faders helps. They don't actually run audio through them, you assign tracks to them and they act like a master volume without damaging your mix. Basically for me and probably many of you, it gets rid of the problem of the mix getting too hot about the time you get it right!
This and MPE are modern things a modern DAW like Live should have.

[zenophilix]

Group tracks and VCAs seem like they'd work pretty much the same.. Groups within groups doesn't hurt either.

Not at all, group tracks are essentially busses, all the audio from the sub tracks is routed through a single track, the sends are still separate in this scenario, so the sends actually act differently on the audio when you raise and lower the group master track or bus. the overall volume is being lowered but your sends are not being lowered since each track is still firing away at whatever DB it's set to.
VCA faders lower the volume of all the tracks without messing up the mix to sends etc. If you've ever lowered the volume of multiple tracks by temporarily grouping them by selecting them in Live you will notice that it messes with the mix you had as well when you do this. This is another scenario where VCA faders helps. They don't actually run audio through them, you assign tracks to them and they act like a master volume without damaging your mix. Basically for me and probably many of you, it gets rid of the problem of the mix getting too hot about the time you get it right!
This and MPE are modern things a modern DAW like Live should have.

Huh. Pretty much sounds like a description of how groups work to me, then again I've only been able to use them for a couple weeks.