Korg Wavestate and Opsix for Win/Mac

[EvilDragon]

Ok. I have to ask. Does this add anything over the Arturia? Capability or workflow?

What exactly over Arturia's plugins? Opsix is way more flexible than DX7 V, if that's what you ask, and Arturia has nothing at all similar to Wavestate.

Sorry, yes I meant Opsix vs DX7 V. I have the Arturia but have yet to try the Korg. I watched Oscillator Sync’s run through but it is not obvious to me why you think it is way more flexible. What am I missing?

Simple, operator modes in Opsix take it to a whole other level DX7 just can't reach.

[zvenx]

Finally caved in and demo'ed them.. The OPsix didn't really do anything for me.. yeah if it came with Korg Collection 4, I would get it, not tempting me otherwise (unless it had some ridiculous priced sale), but then again I was never a real DX-7/"FM" fan..

The Wavestate however.. yikes...this one will be hard to resist ... indeed it is like wavestation 2022.

rsp

[trusampler]

Does OpSIX VST allow importing? Anyone?

[dumbledog]

The opsix’s party piece is the carriers are not necessarily having their frequency modulated by an operator, but they can work in other ways. They can be ring modulators, filters (with audio-rate cutoff modulation for vowel-like tones), wave folders, bitcrusher and other weird crap. Check Oscillator Sink’s playlist and you’ll see him use it to build a subtractive Juno-60-like, a filter bank, some Physical modeling stuff or all at once due to the additive structure behind the FM archetype.

Basically traditional DX-style phase modulation synthesis is just one of maybe a dozen ways operators can act on carriers.

[tactile_coast]

Ok. I have to ask. Does this add anything over the Arturia? Capability or workflow?

My first impressions are not enough to justify the additional $300 expense and both still feel a bit rough around the edges, though I've only spent a couple of hours with them and there could be updates.

[bmanic]

Jeeeepers this Wavestate thing is absolutely amazingly inspiring! And damn Arturia offering Pigments users the whole Arturia V Collection 8 for 150 euros cross-grade. Guess I ain't eating this month... or I have to start selling some stuff. Hmm.. my Push 2 has been collecting dust lately.

[tactile_coast]

Arturia has nothing at all similar to Wavestate.

Apart from the Prophet VS.

Which was Wavestate V1.

[DocShay]

For the opsix, not great.

On my 2020 Intel Macbook Pro, the standalone is using 35-40% (single-core) CPU when idle, and 45% when playing six notes of what seems like a relatively complicated preset. I think the GUI is processor intensive for whatever reason, as it can really chug when scrolling through presets. Heavy interface, light sound engine.

For comparison, Pigments is using 15% idle and 50-70% with a chord.

There's definitely something going on with the GUI of Opsix, it freezes my whole DAW after loading it up on both my laptop and desktop setups on Windows. Both computers have Ryzen 9 processors in them, a good bit of ram and ssds...

[mholloway]

Arturia has nothing at all similar to Wavestate.

Apart from the Prophet VS.

Which was Wavestate V1.

How do you figure? It was a vector synth. Where's the wave-sequencing? Non-existent. I realize that because the Wavestation and Wavestate include a vector knob, there is similarity between them and the VS. But to say the Prophet VS offered by Arturia is similar to the Wavestate / is Wavestate V1 is....a big stretch. Not unless it has a hidden wave-sequencing page I've missed all these years. Shared lineage? Yes, absolutely. Similar synths? Not really!

[trusampler]

Awesome..I know the hardware does, but... Does OpSIX VST allow importing? Anyone know how to import dx7 patches?
Does OpSIX VST allow importing? Anyone know how to import dx7 patches?

I emailed Korg in the meantime, 2-3 business days for a reply.. AWESOME!

[dumbledog]

The opsix manual is here. I don't see anything about importing SYSEX or other DX7 patches.

[trusampler]

That's what I'm seeing as well. Seems the hardware is necessary for importing dx7 patches for now.

[bermudagold]

The only plugin close to Wavestate is Korg’s own Wavestation plugin. And it’s not exactly close.

Wusikstation is the only other true Wavesequencing plugin.

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/wusik- ... 9-by-wusik

It is far more powerful than the Wavestation since you can load your own sample content.

yeah I was gonna have to chime in on that being pretty hyperbolic...there are a lot of ways to do wavesequencing and lots of plugins to do it...and like Tek said above I would never want to do it in something where I couldn't use my own sounds

[kritikon]

Ok. I have to ask. Does this add anything over the Arturia? Capability or workflow?

What exactly over Arturia's plugins? Opsix is way more flexible than DX7 V, if that's what you ask, and Arturia has nothing at all similar to Wavestate.

Sorry, yes I meant Opsix vs DX7 V. I have the Arturia but have yet to try the Korg. I watched Oscillator Sync’s run through but it is not obvious to me why you think it is way more flexible. What am I missing?

Opsix is a quantum leap ahead of anything DX7 related. I still have a DX100 (very cut down from DX7 but same processes and I know DX7s well) and an Opsix.

Opsix has all manner of waves as oscillators - all the basic saws, squares,PWM etc and a whole slew of other ones as opposed to DX sine waves.
Opsix carriers and modulators all go both higher and lower than DX ones. The lowest on DXs was (from memory) 0.5 - i.e. one octave down. Opsixes go down to 1/32, might even be 1/64 (not at the studio currently). Which is way too low to actually hear, but it interacts with the other carriers/modulators in other ways.
Opsix has FX operators as carriers or modulators. Basically using FX as your source. So you can at basics use delays to make bouncing oscillators etc or for more esoteric uses - physical modelling of plucked/hit string - and then FM those modelled strings further. Osc Sync has a video that shows the PM possible with FX operators and it sounds very good. It has wavefolding and classic distortion as operators too - if you want seriously f**ked up trash sounds - use disto in the FM algo, feed it back within the algo and then you can distort it further with FX etc on top - push the high octave osc and detune awy from the octave and it will pierce your ears like no DX could.
Opsix has more algos than a DX - you can even make up your own algo - I haven't even tried that yet, but loads of possibilities.
Opsix can effectively fluidly modulate most of the FM in all sorts of ways that was nigh-on impossible on DXs without physically editing it with the slider and glitching horribly.
Opsix has filters that can be used separately or over the top of FM'd sounds. DXs didn't do that. Your feedback on the algos was the way you filtered stuff - very limited. You can still do all of that on an Opsix and then also use the traditional filters.

About the only benefit the DX had was the extra envelope parameters - which TBH were an utter PITA to program.

[cyberheater]

Had a good go on wavestate. It’s amazing.