Begging for improved timestretch

[IIRs]

f**k it then!

throw away your laptop!

anyone want to buy my 1975 Brenell Mini 8?!

(2 reels of 1" Ampex 456 included)

" "

I suppose if your new car didn't have the CD changer you were expecting, you'd ditch it and walk in future?

[clueless]

hears a thought - why don't I just buy a drum kit and a few mics and soundproof what is essentially a shed, try and make it sound like a top live room, and then learn to play the drums really well, just so I can tweak the tempo of, for example, drum tracks played by my old drummer, specifically for songs I'd written.

Repeat as necessary for bass, percussion, trumpet, keys, vocals.

Now decide it's the wrong tempo/key again. then remix.

Well, compared to that, how inconvenient is it really to use another app? Why don't we focus on the amazing things that are possible with our DAW's?

fine

why don;t dev's stop asking us what 'amazing things' we'd like our DAW's to do

and of course, Tracktion's renowned for not challenging the status quo...

for f**k's sake

[IIRs]

You don't have to buy it, if that was all you wanted. Just because you bought T1 doesn't mean you can dictate what goes into T2.

I for one am quite glad that timestretch hasn't gone in, as it makes it more likely that other things have.. things I consider more important.

It doesn't matter how good your time-stretch is, re-recording it at the right speed will always sound better.

[GaryG]

Are you really all incapable of making music without the ability to make a bit of audio a bit longer or shorter than it should be?

I'm sure we all could, drag out our acoustics and have a strumm round the old four track but that's totally (intentionally?) missing the point! A lot of us make computer/electronic/technological/whatever music because the technology is there! and it's exciting! and we want to exploit the possibilities of totally warping audio beyond it's source! and I want to take my guitar loops and have them fit the rest of a composition and still sound good! and i want to take my mates conga playing etc. etc. etc.

If you think the only use for timestretch is for making braindead construction kit tunes then ... well, maybe you're in the wrong forum.

.g

[clueless]

f**k it then!

throw away your laptop!

anyone want to buy my 1975 Brenell Mini 8?!

(2 reels of 1" Ampex 456 included)

" "

I suppose if your new car didn't have the CD changer you were expecting, you'd ditch it and walk in future?

1: I never have and never will buy a new car, nor would I buy any car and attempt to use it as a dedicated hi-fi...
2: i do actually have a Brenell Mini 8. The attraction of digital recording and editing though, is ease of manipulation. hence my frustration at Tracktion's failure to address this particular aspect of manipulation


etc

[ModuLR]

I don't think anyone here is debating the value of a good timestretch or beat slicing. I'm sure Mackie wants a good timestretch too...It's just annoying, when you here people complaining that it's not part of T2. I mean jeezz man.. I want automation clips, folder tracks, and ghost clips much more than timestretching... but you don't hear me whining about it. If you have a bit of patience, it'll probably be addressed in an update.

<rant mode on>
It's like everyone want's their delima addressed now... if they integrated a timestretch but it took another 6 months to nail an really good algo, many would be bitching endlessly... that's why this is all annoying as shit.

sure you want to to everything in your host, all accessable with the stroke of a key... but once again it's NOT being realistic.. it's being f**king SELFISH! because as your dire need is addressed, it's snuffs someone elses dire need.. and realisticly it's NOT going to ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE! so unless you are willing to wait longer which many of you have clearly exhibited the LACK of patience for.... how about STFU!
</rant mode off>

back to being nice...

Jens... Regarding the eXT thing.. I won't even go into the debate over functionality, becuase the goals can be accomplised by different means in tracktion (with the exception of non-destructive reverse). I just happen to find doing it in Tracktion appropriate the way I work... and yes, I'd rather use something outside for hardcore slicing (Shortcircuit can do things that one is simply not going to find in a native slicer).

[IIRs]

All I'm saying is, theres a whole exciting world of music making out there even without timestretch!!



"Oh No!! No Timestretch??? Thats it, I'm ditching this DAW and going back to my wax cylinders"

Get real!

As far as getting Tracktion up to the level of the big boys, so that I can reasonably expect to go into a pro studio and find a copy installed, or so that I can score a film with it.. or even just replace Cubase at work, timestretch is pretty low on my list of missing features.

It can wait till V3 for all I care!

[clueless]

You don't have to buy it, if that was all you wanted. Just because you bought T1 doesn't mean you can dictate what goes into T2.

I for one am quite glad that timestretch hasn't gone in, as it makes it more likely that other things have.. things I consider more important.

It doesn't matter how good your time-stretch is, re-recording it at the right speed will always sound better.

no, we don;t have to buy it, but we did, some of us bought it a long long time ago

why can't we dictate what goes into it? who is it for? besides which, we were asked!!!

re-recording it at the right speed will NOT 'always' sound better. it is not always possible. performances, performers, recording environments, happy accidents, can not always be duplicated at will.

apart from that, you seem to be viewing the facility as a shortcut for dummies. maybe it's actually an incredibly useful creative tool. mention has been made of tracktion's use for soundtrack work. "This section of music would work brilliantly with this scene, if only one wasn't 10 seconds longer than the other...."

[ModuLR]

no, we don;t have to buy it, but we did, some of us bought it a long long time ago

why can't we dictate what goes into it? who is it for? besides which, we were asked!!!

You are dictating what goes into it in a sense! it's jus that many of you don't have the patience to wait for the outcome! instead you want it now, without giving any consideration to what is needed to make it happen in the first place.

[ModuLR]

If they swaped out audio loop record for timestretching.. trust me, this thread would still exist! it would just filled with..

"OMG! no audio loop record! I can't live without this.. aaahhhh... f**k I'm leaving this host.. blah blah"

and if it wasn't that.. it'd be something else...

regardless, there is a FINITE number of features which can be added in an update... someone is going to get their feelings hurt. Sorry it was yours... get over it.

[clueless]

I don't think anyone here is debating the value of a good timestretch or beat slicing.

are you kidding?!

I'm sure Mackie wants a good timestretch too...

great. so where is it?

It's just annoying, when you here people complaining that it's not part of T2.

it's pretty annoying from this end too

If you have a bit of patience, it'll probably be addressed in an update.

great

when?

if they integrated a timestretch but it took another 6 months to nail an really good algo, many would be bitching endlessly... that's why this is all annoying as shit.

LICENSE ONE FOR f**k'S SAKE! and not as many people would be bitching endlessly if they knew they only had a 6 month wait.

it's being f**king SELFISH! because as your dire need is addressed, it's snuffs someone elses dire need..

sorry, I didn't realise

unless you are willing to wait longer which many of you have clearly exhibited the LACK of patience for.... how about STFU!

lack of patience? 2 years??!!

[IIRs]

apart from that, you seem to be viewing the facility as a shortcut for dummies.."

Ok, I've been trolling a bit.. I do accept that there are valid creative uses for such a feature, even if its one I would usually do everything I could to avoid using. (unless for mangling purposes, in which case the one that's there already will do nicely )

However, as a professional Cubase user, there really are a ton of features that need to be added before Tracktion will compete on all levels (I trust Jules to achieve this without losing the spirit of the software) and I really badly want Tracktion to do that.. having fallen in love with this app I certainly don't want it to get stuck in some semi-pro easy-to-learn my-first-sequencer category. I believe it has far more potential than that.

I don't care how much you personally want time-stretch, its not very high on my "missing pro features" list, and fortunately it seems that Jules / Mackie agree with me.

[TheWall]

It's true that native would be better, but I mean-- it's obviously not a perfect implementation in other hosts, either, or there wouldn't even BE a Phatmatik or Dicer. It's barely more cumbersome to use another beatslicer if it's truly needed. A bit, for sure... make no mistake, timeline beatslice and timestretch would be superior. But there is still a market for 3rd party, and when a cheap product like MicroDicer is available, I think it's reasonable to pay the $30 to good ol' Jon and get on with Tracktion if that's what's holding you back.

Greg, phatmatik pro came to the scene when slicer wasn't as popular a standard part of most sequencers. I bought it when Orion's slicer didn't support stereo slicing. FL Slicer wasn't a free component by then either. Personally I think the good day for slicer plugin is already gone, even though MicroDicer is the best VFM replacement at the moment.

That said, the market for a slicer plug might thrive, due to that T2 doesn't support it natively...

sure you want to to everything in your host, all accessable with the stroke of a key... but once again it's NOT being realistic.. it's being f**king SELFISH! because as your dire need is addressed, it's snuffs someone elses dire need.. and realisticly it's NOT going to ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE! so unless you are willing to wait longer which many of you have clearly exhibited the LACK of patience for.... how about STFU!

Mod, it's about the focus/positioning Mackie has put on T2, not from a personal point of view IMHO. It's reasonable and logical for Mackie to do what they are doing to T2, but it's also apparently different from what the old user group(at least quite a portion of them) would have expected.

I still believe there are many new stuff in T2 that Mackie didn't bother mentioning(not important to their usual sales pitch) would most likely blow me away.

[ModuLR]

ugh! man.. I'm annoyed now. Why? because tho I'm not some code genius, I know that this kinda shit is not f**king easy. It's not easy to write some software that makes so many people happy. It's not easy to labor over that shit night and day trying to snuff out bugs and at the same time update features to satisfy everyone.. and satisfy the folks who are marketing it for you! and have a family life!

So when I hear people talk like this... "f**k dude you had two years to write a timestretch, why don't you just licese it".. when it's really it's more like.. you had two years to debug the bugs that were already present, create something like the racks.. code up a fully functional mac version, negotiate a deal with mackie... transfer your entire project and customer base to them, and add new features and what not...

then yes, you sound f**king SELFISH! Who knows, maybe jules would like to write his OWN licensable timestretch algo! Start thinking outside of yourself.

edit: I forgot who I was directing this to... argh!

[clueless]

If they swaped out audio loop record for timestretching.. trust me, this thread would still exist! it would just filled with..

"OMG! no audio loop record! I can't live without this.. aaahhhh... f**k I'm leaving this host.. blah blah"

and if it wasn't that.. it'd be something else...

regardless, there is a FINITE number of features which can be added in an update... someone is going to get their feelings hurt. Sorry it was yours... get over it.

i wasn't asking for a feature to be added so much as for an existing feature to be improved

won't be 'leaving this host'. just won't be (can't) ditch The Other One Pro 4.0

still

having wanted to since 2003

when we were told this feature would be improved

it's now 2005

maybe in 2006?

don't lecture me on patience, that's a long time to wait, especially when you're essentially creating ephemera!

and it takes more than a patchy DAW update to hurt my feelings btw