Every time I export an audiomixdown in cubase it sounds crap

[davor]

Jitter is all about analog domain. The digital stuff does not cause jitter, it's faulty analog stuff that does. Unprecise clocks usually.

Btw, is stuff at -150dB (snr) audible to you? (not a difference between playback and mixdown, it's the différence between different hosts mixdowns)

You should pay more attention while reading. You're contradicting yourself. Analogue does not cause jitter. The signal is in the digital domain until it leaves the DAC. We're talking about the cd related jitter. Jitter is the timing error, which affects how the DAC works, but this error is originated in the digital domain, due to the spacing of tiny pits on your cd for example, etc. In the analogue domain is where we hear the artefacts of jitter, but jitter is not caused in the analogue domain. That is, for one, one of the reasons why some people still prefer records to CD-s. With records, there is no jitter involved.

[ericj23]

christ your stupid

the pits are analogue - duh - digital means ones and zeros - are the pits in small sheet of metal a one or a zero - NO

the fact thats these pits are used to represent the digital information does not mean thay are the digital information - see

a cd is analogue - everything on it is not 1 or 0 but is variable - as is the motorspeed - the voltage rail supply to the dac etc - ANALOGUE


but here's the real head f**k

digital is a stream of 1's and 0's and actually does not exist anywhere in the real world - well OK I could get all quantum mechanics on your ass - but seeing as you can't tell analogue from digital i'm very sure that discrete energy levels will be way too complex for ya.

digital is a mathematical concept

you are right tho there is no jitter in records - there is masses of harmonic distortion and a really low signal to noise ratio tho

as someone who owns an sacd player i can assure you vinyl has no function (unless you can dj like q-bert) - digital encoding has it beaten on every front

[davor]

hrist your stupid

the pits are analogue - duh - digital means ones and zeros - are the pits in small sheet of metal a one or a zero - NO

OK, you englightened me. CD is an analogue medium.
The stupidest thing I've heard in a while. The pits may be analogue, but extraction is digital, otherwise you wouldn't need a DAC, would you, you ignorant mathematical geek

[stefancrs]

Jitter is all about analog domain. The digital stuff does not cause jitter, it's faulty analog stuff that does. Unprecise clocks usually.

Btw, is stuff at -150dB (snr) audible to you? (not a difference between playback and mixdown, it's the différence between different hosts mixdowns)

You should pay more attention while reading. You're contradicting yourself. Analogue does not cause jitter. The signal is in the digital domain until it leaves the DAC. We're talking about the cd related jitter. Jitter is the timing error, which affects how the DAC works, but this error is originated in the digital domain, due to the spacing of tiny pits on your cd for example, etc. In the analogue domain is where we hear the artefacts of jitter, but jitter is not caused in the analogue domain. That is, for one, one of the reasons why some people still prefer records to CD-s. With records, there is no jitter involved.

Jitter = timing error. Where does the timing error occur? In the digital domain? There's no such thing as digital timing really.

[M'Snah]

digital is a mathematical concept

I love that.

so eric, don't you have any hobbies? or a wife or girlfriend? maybe you make music once in a while? it can't be so bad that all you can do is discuss with davor? who is either a troll or completely ignorant?

[Evan]

I'd swear I saw a Jitter in a record once....

Dr. Jameson
PhD. in Abstract Ambiguity

[davor]

digital is a mathematical concept

I love that.

so eric, don't you have any hobbies? or a wife or girlfriend? maybe you make music once in a while? it can't be so bad that all you can do is discuss with davor? who is either a troll or completely ignorant?

You are either a talentless def quasy musician/home recordist or you just pretend to be one
It's difficult to discuss colors with people who are color blind.

[Evan]

Have you been talking about colors all this time?

[davor]

Jitter is all about analog domain. The digital stuff does not cause jitter, it's faulty analog stuff that does. Unprecise clocks usually.

Btw, is stuff at -150dB (snr) audible to you? (not a difference between playback and mixdown, it's the différence between different hosts mixdowns)

You should pay more attention while reading. You're contradicting yourself. Analogue does not cause jitter. The signal is in the digital domain until it leaves the DAC. We're talking about the cd related jitter. Jitter is the timing error, which affects how the DAC works, but this error is originated in the digital domain, due to the spacing of tiny pits on your cd for example, etc. In the analogue domain is where we hear the artefacts of jitter, but jitter is not caused in the analogue domain. That is, for one, one of the reasons why some people still prefer records to CD-s. With records, there is no jitter involved.

Jitter = timing error. Where does the timing error occur? In the digital domain? There's no such thing as digital timing really.

Why do you need DAC then, if we're in the analogue domain, all the time. Bitstream is an analogue stream of data??

[ericj23]

cd is an analogue medium - correct now we are getting somewhere

the pits are not read by a dac they are read by a very analogue laser that converts the reflections of the pits and material into a very analogue voltage

this is transported through some very analogue wiring to the dac which is powered by analogue electricity. The DAC knows that this analogue signal is supposed to represent a digital code - so it does it's best to convert the analogue voltage signal of close to 1's and 0's into another different analogue audio signal which is finally fed to some small analogue amplifiers and out of your cd player

at no point is there anything actually digital within a computer or a cd player - because digital is a mathematical concept

we have got very good at providing analogue representations of this mathematical concept but there is no such thing as a digital signal

[davor]

Have you been talking about colors all this time?

No, I've been talkin about sound with sound def geeks and wannabes. It was just a parallel

[M'Snah]

lol. I'm not a musician. I'm a bank manager / VP who plays guitar in his spare time .

btw we have a pretty calendar model here, who's originally from your country: Tatiana Simic...

It's difficult to discuss colors with people who are color blind.

Plato wrote a book about that, about 2k years ago;)

[M'Snah]

Have you been talking about colors all this time?

LMAO

[ericj23]

"Bitstream is an analogue stream of data??"

correct again - your getting better

did you think if i cut open a cd player lots of 1's and 0's would fall out ?

PS i'm actually sitting in-front of 3 open word reports for work which i just can't be arsed doing - bloody risk assessments FFS.

so yes troll bating is more fun - and more educational

when i started on about quantum mechnics i realised I couldnt remember the formula for calculating the discrete quanta gven out by a system

so i looked up http://superstringtheory.com/basics/basic2a.html

planck and shrodinger - student daze

[davor]

lol. I'm not a musician. I'm a bank manager / VP who plays guitar in his spare time .

btw we have a pretty calendar model here, who's originally from your country: Tatiana Simic...

You're a bank manager? It's just fascinating that you have the nerve to dimiss people like JOhn Vestman as crazy The girls in my country are the prettiest girls in the world