What if you DONT 'save' Wusik?

[Jeremy_NSL]

I agree. liqih has a good handle on his business imo.

[stefancrs]

Uhm. So, WS sold about 1200 copies? That'd make for something like maybe 72.000usd, right? In what, a little more than a year? And he's a one man company? Plus he got some money from pre-orders? And some from soundsets?
I could live very well off that kind of money here in sweden, and I'd have to pay about half of it in taxes. I know the tax is like, the highest in the world here, so you'd have even more money left in about any other country whatsoever.

Basicly I'm just wondering where the money went. It seems to be quite a lot of money, and when asking your users to again give you an interest free loan, you might want to tell them what you did with the money they already gave you. Under any ordinary circumstances, it'd be a must.

[John Vulich]

seems that life has become unmanagable....erratic,it's all about me,avoid responsibility,manipulate,brillant,grandiose,noone understands,there are things I can't talk about,etc....sounds like addiction to me.

Yeah, I have my own ideas as to what his problems are but I would avoid making any potentially slanderous comments in a public forum.

[meroveus]

I said DashSynthesis - when William K was there. His partner split up and created DashSignature (as I recall). But both these guys seem to have an unreliable business history, and they seem to like asking for money before product. I say, build your product first or else shut up about it.

Dude, WTF??
You are SOO wrong about Luigi (aka Liqih) the owner of Dash and Nusofting.
Unlike WK, Luigi is totally honest and upfront.
He is everything that WK is not.

I own EVE and several more of the DASH products.
Now that Wusik is all but finished, I will be buying more DASH products.
Also, Luigi has NEVER asked for preorders, as far as I can remember.

Get your facts right before tarring others with WK's brush.

[fateamenabletochange]

thank you john,of course you are right,I apolagize,who am I and what would I know.

[John Vulich]

thank you john,of course you are right,I apolagize,who am I and what would I know.

It's more about protecting yourself than anything else.

[Glassback]

seems that life has become unmanagable....erratic,it's all about me,avoid responsibility,manipulate,brillant,grandiose,noone understands,there are things I can't talk about,etc....sounds like addiction to me.

Yeah, I have my own ideas as to what his problems are but I would avoid making any potentially slanderous comments in a public forum.

The same thoughts had crossed my mind about smack or whatever, but you know, with all that's going down is it really so beyond the realms of possibility? I don't reckon. It all seems a bit classic to me. So let the guy sue me for slander if he wants. I guess it'll buy the next fix - at least until the KvR community cough up the 12grand...
It's a bit difficult to retain respect for someone who'd do this to an entire community and to people who've supported him as his customers have. If it were an actual shop that'd ripped you off what would you do? Talk about buying it? Or brick the guys window? Get some perspective here - people have been taken for a ride in a big way. This whole sorry scenario stinks as far as I'm concerned.

[whyterabbyt]

greendoor quoth I said DashSynthesis - when William K was there. His partner split up and created DashSignature (as I recall).

Incorrect. William started DashSignature as far as I recall, and Liqih joined him as the developer, bringing his own synths to the company. Then William left, leaving the assets to Liqih, in return for money owed to him.

But both these guys seem to have an unreliable business history,

That is a complete lie. There has been no unreliability in the business history of anything Liqih has been running. Any issues with DashSignature date to a point in time when William was running the business.

and they seem to like asking for money before product.

Another lie. Liqih has never done this for any of his products.

I say, build your product first or else shut up about it.

I say, get your facts straight, first, or else shut up. And I suggest you apologize to Liqih.

[Glassback]

Might I also add my concern that, from what I'm seeing from some (not all) people, liqih's business may suffer unnecessarily?
Trial by association's bad enough. Sharing the same (or very similar) name under these circumstances may be debilitating for the guy?

It seems that not everybody knows that they're two different companies. See what I'm saying?
The ramifications of WK's actions and irresponsibility are more far-reaching than he considered, I reckon.

[Hunter]

Uhm. So, WS sold about 1200 copies? That'd make for something like maybe 72.000usd, right? In what, a little more than a year? And he's a one man company? Plus he got some money from pre-orders? And some from soundsets?

seems even fishier to me now.... 1200 copies is A LOT of synths. I could live off $72,000 very happily for two, even three years at a push - I wonder if there are some hidden problems somewhere - I'm not trying to be negative but I feel you are all going to get a terribly nasty shock...

[John Vulich]

The same thoughts had crossed my mind about smack or whatever, but you know, with all that's going down is it really so beyond the realms of possibility? I don't reckon. It all seems a bit classic to me. So let the guy sue me for slander if he wants. I guess it'll buy the next fix - at least until the KvR community cough up the 12grand...

Just for the record I think that Meth and Coke are the drugs of choice for most coders who are convinced that they need it for those non-stop-all-day-and-night coding sessions.

[pw]

greendoor quoth I said DashSynthesis - when William K was there. His partner split up and created DashSignature (as I recall).

Incorrect. William started DashSignature as far as I recall, and Liqih joined him as the developer, bringing his own synths to the company. Then William left, leaving the assets to Liqih, in return for money owed to him.

But both these guys seem to have an unreliable business history,

That is a complete lie. There has been no unreliability in the business history of anything Liqih has been running. Any issues with DashSignature date to a point in time when William was running the business.

and they seem to like asking for money before product.

Another lie. Liqih has never done this for any of his products.

I say, build your product first or else shut up about it.

I say, get your facts straight, first, or else shut up. And I suggest you apologize to Liqih.

Hear Hear! Well said Whyterabbit. Greendoor has no idea what he is talking about- just shouting off.

[whyterabbyt]

Glassback quoth Might I also add my concern that, from what I'm seeing from some (not all) people, liqih's business may suffer unnecessarily?
Trial by association's bad enough. Sharing the same (or very similar) name under these circumstances may be debilitating for the guy?

It seems that not everybody knows that they're two different companies. See what I'm saying?
The ramifications of WK's actions and irresponsibility are more far-reaching than he considered, I reckon.

Indeed, and thats certainly not being helped by people like greendoor making utterly false claims about Liqih's business.

[nocompromise]

The same thoughts had crossed my mind about smack or whatever, but you know, with all that's going down is it really so beyond the realms of possibility? I don't reckon. It all seems a bit classic to me. So let the guy sue me for slander if he wants. I guess it'll buy the next fix - at least until the KvR community cough up the 12grand...

Just for the record I think that Meth and Coke are the drugs of choice for most coders who are convinced that they need it for those non-stop-all-day-and-night coding sessions.

yep and even 72k don't go too far

[fateamenabletochange]

At first I was surprised at the level of feeling in all this......but keeping promises especially where money is involved is right in there on any ethical grid.