KVR Audio

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon May 23, 2005 4:27 pm

I dont want this to get deleted by WilliamK, since I think its important.

William has said if he gets 200 preorders for Wusik 2, he'll be able to keep going.

Which means that if he doesnt get 200 pre-orders, he wont.

He's also said he can't give any refunds to people who paid for other stuff in advance, such as the abandoned drum machine preorder, and the more recent prepay-for-the-next Wusikstation thing that already happened.

So what guarantees is William prepared to make to repay people this time if he doesnt reach that target of 200 people?

kara · Post by **kara** » Mon May 23, 2005 4:29 pm

Nothing

kodama · Post by **kodama** » Mon May 23, 2005 4:32 pm

Do you ask because you are considering prebuying V2, or are you just a concerned kvr citizen with 4974 posts?

kevvvvv · Post by **kevvvvv** » Mon May 23, 2005 4:34 pm

You beating this drum again, rabbyt?

You should know that a guarantee isn't worth jack

And there's no point in being righteous about it unless you like the noise it makes

ResonantOrder · Post by **ResonantOrder** » Mon May 23, 2005 4:35 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:I dont want this to get deleted by WilliamK, since I think its important.

William has said if he gets 200 preorders for Wusik 2, he'll be able to keep going.

Which means that if he doesnt get 200 pre-orders, he wont.

He's also said he can't give any refunds to people who paid for other stuff in advance, such as the abandoned drum machine preorder, and the more recent prepay-for-the-next Wusikstation thing that already happened.

So what guarantees is William prepared to make to repay people this time if he doesnt reach that target of 200 people?

Why would he be allowed to do business here on kvr if he's already ripped people off? That is, if I'm reading your post correctly.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon May 23, 2005 4:35 pm

Im asking on behalf of other people who might not have considered what might happen.

Why? Do you think my question has some other purpose?

APK77 · Post by **APK77** » Mon May 23, 2005 4:35 pm

With that track record, I'd only pay him for what he's already done, no way I'd pay for what he plans to do.

kara · Post by **kara** » Mon May 23, 2005 4:37 pm

kodama wrote:Do you ask because you are considering prebuying V2, or are you just a concerned kvr citizen with 4974 posts?

That's irelevant. it is a logical question.

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Mon May 23, 2005 4:38 pm

APK77 wrote:With that track record, I'd only pay him for what he's already done, no way I'd pay for what he plans to do.

I concur

BTW, is this going to make wusikstation cheaper, or just unavaliable, or neither?

projectdan · Post by **projectdan** » Mon May 23, 2005 4:38 pm

I think something along these lines would help -

It may help a lot if you made some sort of promise that anyone who pre orders now will be given the equivalent money discount on any future upgrades if you decide to sell before its done, by the buying company, and make this part of the contract of any sale. I think this would greatly increase your chances of getting the number of pre orders you want.

deleted · Post by **deleted** » Mon May 23, 2005 4:38 pm

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The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Mon May 23, 2005 4:38 pm

exactly

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Mon May 23, 2005 4:39 pm

whyterabbyt wrote: So what guarantees is William prepared to make to repay people this time if he doesnt reach that target of 200 people?

he's obviously not going to refund the v1.2 prepayers, he stated that:

WilliamK wrote: For those who ordered V1.2.0 a while ago, you need to pay the 29.95 USD/CAD

so no refund, I personally would be very cautious before I threw more good money after bad.
Kinda double or nothing for these guys, either you lose your $30, or you take a gamble pay another $30 & potentially lose that, or maybe he'll change his mind again.
I don't know the guy, but have followed his story, asking for faith & prepays, I would be scared of a possible bankruptcy, at the same time as feeling the urge to support a guy who has created a very good product.
I know this is gonna sound kinda nasty, but it brings to mind DCstudios.
And maybe some would say this is none of my business, as I don't own wusikstation, but I was considering it for a future purchase due to the excellent feedback I have read here & elsewhere.

mayan · Post by **mayan** » Mon May 23, 2005 4:43 pm

As discussed on another thread - what WilliamK is doing is a classic bait and switch and perhaps fraudulent to boot. I trust that he's not intending to do this but that's the result of his position. As one of the one's who paid up-front for 1.2, I have to chalk this up to my faith and willingness to trust him based upon past performance and my wanting to support him during a bad time. I will not do so again. Very sad.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon May 23, 2005 4:44 pm

kevvvvv quoth You beating this drum again, rabbyt?

Why dont you say exactly what you're trying to insinuate, Kevvvvv?

I want to know whether even more people at KVR are going to lose money to yet another developer with 'issues'. If that's a problem for you, tough shit. I happen to think it matters. If you don't, why don't you just say so.

Dead simple. I'll even give yu the words, if you're too damn lazy.

"I, Kevin Rossiter, KVR moderator, dont care if a developer with a forum hosted here might take money off people at KVR and then not deliver the goods."

Can you manage that, or would you prefer to just ponce about ignoring the issue?

You should know that a guarantee isn't worth jack

If it came from you it certainly wouldnt.

And there's no point in being righteous about it unless you like the noise it makes

Nice to see a moderator bury his head in the sand over KVR people potentially losing money.

What if you DONT 'save' Wusik?