If AI replaces musicians, does the entire plugin industry die with them?

[BONES]

None of those continuously changed the timbre of instruments at least once per second.

You mean like in the way that a synthesiser can?

None of those continuously changed the voice of a singer (including the accent and even sex) at least once per second

You mean like in the way a vocalist can?

I think you're kind of missing the point. AI isn't reproducing something that exists in the way that a gramophone does, it's making something new. It can sound how you want it to sound. It's more comparable to a workstation synth than playback equipment.

None of them caused instruments to spontaneously wander around the stereo field at least once per second (That "live" track from Let Babylon Burn, especially the drums). None of them added an obnoxious volume boost to vocals...

Those sound like creative decisions to me. You may not like them but that doesn't necessarily make them wrong in any way. And, interestingly, none of these things you're complaining about have been issues with any of the material we've got from Tunee. In fact some of those kinds of things, specifically the way basslines change subtly through a song on some of them, are great features of those particular tracks.

Generative AI makes posing as a musician or programmer more convenient.

Possibly, if that's what you want to do but, honestly, who'd want people to think you were a musician? Urgh!
[quot]eThat's it. But if you want to actually make something you quickly realize how useless it is[/quote]
Perhaps that's more a reflection of how useless you are as an operator?

I suggest to listen to a Novakill track, that's Bones "band". One track is enough, if you heard one you heard them all. And then think about how meaningful it is to talk to Bones about expressing feelings and emotions via melodies, chord progressions, tension/release and so on.

Yeah, right, because there is no hint of anger or disgust or hatred in anything we do. You'd listen to any of our songs and think we were the happiest guys in town.

I spend over 2-3 weeks (maybe even longer) doing sound design, composition, mixing and mastering and then there's BONES dismissing my track because it has no lyrics

2-3 weeks!?! Do you have any idea how long it takes me to finish a song? It's more like 2-3 months. And the lyrics/vocals are much harder to get right than the music. If I was just doing instrumental music I could pump out a couple of albums a year without raising a sweat. And I didn't dismiss your "track" (even you can't call it a song) because it was instrumental, I was dismissing it because it was generic and had no emotional impact whatsoever.

Take "Rage" for example. There is no rage in it. At all. If I think about rage in music I think about Nine Inch Nail's "Burn" or Mick Gordon's "BFG Division". Rage is based on suffering and that has to be expressed in music too. But Novakill's "Rage" sounds like "I am so cool and edgy and dark and content in what I'm doing", as far away from actual rage as "Moonlight Shadow".

Yeah, great work, you picked the single, of course there's not much actual rage in it. If you bothered to listen to it properly, you'd realise it's not about my rage so there's no reason for it to be all that angry. Don't you think it would be a little bit obvious to tell people how to interpret the song in the title?

His bandmate put at best 30 minutes into it

He didn't put anything into it, that one's all mine. But, you know, it did alright in the charts - the full 8 weeks in the DAC and appearances in a couple of other charts, like this one, with Pearl Jam and New Model Army -

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That's what we call "runs on the board".

Take Madeon's For You as an example.Even though it has no lyrics, I can understand the story that he is trying to tell us (through chords, tension/release, etc)

OK, then, what exactly is the story?

I have my own song Hemsworth as another example https://soundcloud.com/hipster-bales/hemsworth

As I said, soulless, generic pap which I had assumed was about your man-crush on the actor who plays Thor.

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2-3 weeks!?! Do you have any idea how long it takes me to finish a song? It's more like 2-3 months.

That is absolute insanity. I can't even fathom why anyone would want to spend months on a song. If the song doesn't cut it in 20 minutes, regardless of what's holding it up, it won't cut it in 2 hours let alone 2 months.
The longest it took me to complete a song was about 6 to 8 hours. Tops. From initial idea to completed output.
Love him or hate him, Elton John mentioned if a song takes longer than 20 to 30 minutes to write, it's trash. I agree with that. Same goes for recording the thing, he likes it done quickly and leave all the detailed bullshit to others.

And the lyrics/vocals are much harder to get right than the music.

I have found that this is the case when there's too much focus on what one wants to say rather then what works for the song.
I've worked with vocalists where I let them hear a song and they start writing lyrics. I wait until they're done, play the song over and over until they're satisfied with the lyrics. Then I ask to read them just so I can tear the paper up and throw it in the trash where it belongs.
Then I tell them to treat their voice like an instrument and gibberish over the song. After they get out of their pissed off mood and start singing gibberish over the music, they realize that they've come up with some cool hooks. Only then do I tell them to sing the lyrics they initially wrote in the gibberish mode they came up with. If they tell me they don't remember what they wrote then they had nothing to say in the first place so all is.good. And it only takes minutes with the latter approach.

[Grizzellda]

I suggest to listen to a Novakill track, that's Bones "band". One track is enough, if you heard one you heard them all. And then think about how meaningful it is to talk to Bones about expressing feelings and emotions via melodies, chord progressions, tension/release and so on. Even if he wasn't a troll it would be a waste of time.

I've listened to one of them. yeah that was a waste of time indeed.

I spend over 2-3 weeks (maybe even longer) doing sound design, composition, mixing and mastering and then there's BONES dismissing my track because it has no lyrics

I give a shout out to BONES because those guyz are making an effort, doing something.

And he is a prolific poster!!