Motorola DSP563xx Emulator (BETA) (Access Virus, Nord Lead, Waldorf MW...)

[Digivolt]

It is funny how people can't see that it is the same thing in different clothing since the end result is the same.

- The Keygen Emulate the Product Code.
- The DSP Emulator Emulates The Synth when the Rom is added.

Not really the point though, the guys making the emulator are just distributing the emulator which isn't piracy, if they were distributing the roms/firmware then it would be piracy, but they're not doing that, I guess the donations thing is sketchy but is it any different from ISP's offering internet and people doing piracy on the internet, would you blame the ISP and call them pirates ?

[jamcat]

Right, so now that that is all settled (once again), we're back to the question of why the DSP56300 team are going about it this way, with all the cloak and dagger? They're needlessly giving it a speakeasy vibe. Is that supposed to be part of the allure?

[gentleclockdivider]

Because that's how they Roll

[Gam456]

Right, so now that that is all settled (once again), we're back to the question of why the DSP56300 team are going about it this way, with all the cloak and dagger? They're needlessly giving it a speakeasy vibe. Is that supposed to be part of the allure?

In 90% of time an alpha is private and always with some rulez

[audiojunkie]

OK, but why is everyone involved with this so cagey about it? And why is it supposedly free, but you have to join some secret Discord channel to get it, and "donate" money to get the latest version? It all seems to operate like a Russian server.

I mean, come on. Nothing about this is normal.

Because what they would ultimately love to do, is get the big companies to start using their technology to re-release a lot of these ancient legends (synths). But, they have to try hard not to step on any toes (per se), and keep conversations and developments quiet while they are working with these companies. I know I've read somewhere here on KVR about that....or maybe it was one of their blogs..... I can't remember.

[SLiC]

Right, so now that that is all settled (once again), we're back to the question of why the DSP56300 team are going about it this way, with all the cloak and dagger? They're needlessly giving it a speakeasy vibe. Is that supposed to be part of the allure?

In 90% of time an alpha is private

Yup, there is a cloak and dagger Zebra 3 alpha going on right now….
If you want early access on Bitwig software you have to pay for it as well!

[Uncle E]

Uncle E - Friendly or not, this thing started out much differently. It was much more open, you could just download the emulator from a link, no secret chatrooms or cagey discussions or "donations" required. It has changed quite a bit from how it originally started, and it's feels really sketchy now.

Fair enough. Just so we're clear (especially for anyone else reading this), the direct downloads you're referring to are still available at https://dsp56300.wordpress.com/. Both Osirus and Vavra are there. Donations and Discord are only required for anything newer than those.

[Digivolt]

Fair enough. Just so we're clear (especially for anyone else reading this), the direct downloads you're referring to are still available at https://dsp56300.wordpress.com/. Both Osirus and Vavra are there. Donations and Discord are only required for anything newer than those.

The Vavra page says you have to join the Discord to get the download, only Osirus seems to have download links

[Uncle E]

Ah, thanks, sorry, I didn't realize that.

[jamcat]

Yup, there is a cloak and dagger Zebra 3 alpha going on right now….
If you want early access on Bitwig software you have to pay for it as well!

Is Bitwig freeware or donationware?

And so you guys are saying that DSP56300 has a closed testing team that you have to pay to join, and u-he does as well?

[bmanic]

Just the same function as a keygen emulator.
A Keygen Emulator doesn't alter or change a product either.
It just let you run a piece of code so you can unlock the Software just like a DSP Emulator.

When you add a Rom file to the DSP Emulator it turns into that Synth with gui and all since it is made to unlock those functions for that Rom file.

The rom files would be included in the download If it where legal and there is no difference in getting a Keygen and download the vst from the Company vs Hunting down the Roms Illegaly on the Internet.

No way, you are grasping at straws here. Using a keygen provides you with an ILLEGAL fake license. This is not at all the same thing as an emulator which has absolutely nothing to do with any ROM itself. It's a DSP emulation, period.

The illegal part happens when YOU decide to feed it with a ROM that you have no legal license to use.

It's rather funny reading how far some of you guys take these arguments. It's all pretty clear cut when it comes to emulators. There have been HUGE court cases (most notably the ones instigated by Nintendo, who are notoriously litigious) and it was all pretty much resolved there. Emulation itself is not at all illegal. Using and distributing ROMs without owning a license is illegal. Period.

You are grasping at straws here.

There is no Difference in Downloading the Rom Illegaly and add it to the Emulator that is made for that rom than it is to Download a Keygen and Download the Product the Keygen works for.

It is funny how people can't see that it is the same thing in different clothing since the end result is the same.

- The Keygen Emulate the Product Code.
- The DSP Emulator Emulates The Synth when the Rom is added.

Oh well I guess some people are just thick..

[Ghostwave]

This thread is going nowhere.

[Gam456]

Right, so now that that is all settled (once again), we're back to the question of why the DSP56300 team are going about it this way, with all the cloak and dagger? They're needlessly giving it a speakeasy vibe. Is that supposed to be part of the allure?

In 90% of time an alpha is private

Yup, there is a cloak and dagger Zebra 3 alpha going on right now….
If you want early access on Bitwig software you have to pay for it as well!

I believe ame for Synhtmaster 3

[bmanic]

there is no difference in getting a Keygen and download the vst from the Company vs Hunting down the Roms Illegaly on the Internet.

Highlighted for clarity - Yes you are exactly right, hunting down the roms illegally is akin to downloading an application and then cracking it using a keygen. What you are meant[/]i to do is grab the rom legally either from your own device or via the official website firmware page update (using your registered hardware). Then it's no different to going to a downloads page of an application and then using your purchased serial key.

The latter is what you are supposed to do, but users can choose to not go this route and grab the rom illegally (or grab a keygen) .... but that's the users doing not the developers.

True
I don't see anything wrong with doing it if you own the HW and use it as a replacement and it is a good option to have in that case since the OG Is getting old and might break or if you own the Poco (Virus B), that doesn't work anymore and was known for being pretty buggy back in the day.

I understand that some of you that have donated to the project do also own the Originals and want to see them preserved so you can keep on continuing using your Favorite Instruments in the future so i guess i was unfair on that bit

.. oh wow, and now you suddenly get it.

Creating the emulation itself is in no way illegal at all, which should have been obvious to you from the get go, but no.. you had to go on a crazy rant that made no sense.

Oh well, better late than never.

[audiojunkie]

This thread is going nowhere.

That's how most threads end up here at KVR....