Steinberg Retrologue

[ghettosynth]

With a simple serial number even at the rather steep upgrade price in relation to the original price I'd probably jump on it just for giggles but as I said before it's now more work than reward.

I already own DIVA, LuSH101, Vacuum Pro, etc etc so Retro 2 just doesn't bring enough bang to justify the bother....

I have Vacuum Pro and some other similar synths but I don't have LuSH101 or Diva.
Anyway, after I installed Bazille in my laptop and saw how painless to run it (it's the best looking at synth in my laptop because the screen is FHD with 15.6", so at 130% size, it fits perfect). So, I decided to buy Diva next for those Jupiter pads

Once you get Diva, you'll forget completely about retrologue.

Depends on what you want to do with it. While Diva is great at what it does Retrologue offers a lot that is not possible with Diva. If all features you need are included with Diva then it's indeed better. In terms of sound quality it's hard to beat Diva. Besides that you also have to consider that Retrolgue 2 for similar patches uses a LOT less CPU than Diva.

Well, I don't have retrologue 2, but the first version doesn't stand out in any way to me. Parent says "jupiter pads", for jupiter pads, he'll forget all about retrologue and then some. When you want Diva to use less CPU, you just put it in draft mode to remind yourself why you buy better synths in the first place.

[Ingonator]

Well, I don't have retrologue 2, but the first version doesn't stand out in any way to me. Parent says "jupiter pads", for jupiter pads, he'll forget all about retrologue and then some. When you want Diva to use less CPU, you just put it in draft mode to remind yourself why you buy better synths in the first place.

I did not say Diva is bad, i just said Retrologue 2 offers some stuff not possible with Diva so it also depends on what you need (mostly in terms of features as sound wise Diva is great anyway).
FWIW i got my own factory presets in Diva (at "Ingo Weidner" in the "THIRD PARTY" party" folder). There is also got a bunch of Jupiter 8 patches.

To be honest if i would not have Cubase 8.5 i do not know if i would have even bought Retrologue 2 but now that i got it anyway wit hteh Cubase 8.5 upgrade i find it more and more useful while i got a bunch of other great VA synths (including e.g. Diva, Saurus 2, Xils Lab Syn'X 2, Xils Lab Oxium, Xils Lab XILS 4, NI Monark, Arturia Matrix-12V, Arturia Jupiter 8V, Waves Element, PolyAna, TimewARP2600 and some more). Especially the Resonator in Retrologue 2 seems to be really fun so far.

[ckam03]

With a simple serial number even at the rather steep upgrade price in relation to the original price I'd probably jump on it just for giggles but as I said before it's now more work than reward.

I already own DIVA, LuSH101, Vacuum Pro, etc etc so Retro 2 just doesn't bring enough bang to justify the bother....

I have Vacuum Pro and some other similar synths but I don't have LuSH101 or Diva.
Anyway, after I installed Bazille in my laptop and saw how painless to run it (it's the best looking at synth in my laptop because the screen is FHD with 15.6", so at 130% size, it fits perfect). So, I decided to buy Diva next for those Jupiter pads

Once you get Diva, you'll forget completely about retrologue.

Depends on what you want to do with it. While Diva is great at what it does Retrologue offers a lot that is not possible with Diva. If all features you need are included with Diva then it's indeed better. In terms of sound quality it's hard to beat Diva. Besides that you also have to consider that Retrolgue 2 for similar patches uses a LOT less CPU than Diva.

Well, I don't have retrologue 2, but the first version doesn't stand out in any way to me. Parent says "jupiter pads", for jupiter pads, he'll forget all about retrologue and then some. When you want Diva to use less CPU, you just put it in draft mode to remind yourself why you buy better synths in the first place.

Cool story. I love when people knock stuff when they haven't even tried it. The first version didn't stand out to me either but this update is actually quite good. I probably wouldn't go out of my way to buy it if I wasn't using Cubase but this is a welcome addition and I'm going to be using it.

[chk071]

I don't see how they could be comparable anyway. Diva emulates several analog synthesizer, Retrologue doesn't emulate any specific analog synth. Retrologue also has the resonator, and the most sophisticated arp i've ever seen in a synth, both of which is quite unique. So, yeah, there's enough of a difference to not overlap much. I think Steinberg did a good job to enhance Retrologue, and to make the price seem reasonable. What i would have liked to have to upgrade would be more waveforms, stereo spread for the multi oscillators (must have), and maybe some more low pass filter models with a little more pleasing character. Not at all a bad synth though as it is now.

Btw, know i'm gonna get hacked to pieces for it, but IMO Diva is overrated. Kind of hyped like Sylenth1. It's not the do all end all synth. Monark sounds more pleasing in regards of a Minimoog emu IMO. There's just too much of a hype over u-he stuff here.

[ghettosynth]

With a simple serial number even at the rather steep upgrade price in relation to the original price I'd probably jump on it just for giggles but as I said before it's now more work than reward.

I already own DIVA, LuSH101, Vacuum Pro, etc etc so Retro 2 just doesn't bring enough bang to justify the bother....

I have Vacuum Pro and some other similar synths but I don't have LuSH101 or Diva.
Anyway, after I installed Bazille in my laptop and saw how painless to run it (it's the best looking at synth in my laptop because the screen is FHD with 15.6", so at 130% size, it fits perfect). So, I decided to buy Diva next for those Jupiter pads

Once you get Diva, you'll forget completely about retrologue.

Depends on what you want to do with it. While Diva is great at what it does Retrologue offers a lot that is not possible with Diva. If all features you need are included with Diva then it's indeed better. In terms of sound quality it's hard to beat Diva. Besides that you also have to consider that Retrolgue 2 for similar patches uses a LOT less CPU than Diva.

Well, I don't have retrologue 2, but the first version doesn't stand out in any way to me. Parent says "jupiter pads", for jupiter pads, he'll forget all about retrologue and then some. When you want Diva to use less CPU, you just put it in draft mode to remind yourself why you buy better synths in the first place.

Cool story. I love when people knock stuff when they haven't even tried it. The first version didn't stand out to me either but this update is actually quite good. I probably wouldn't go out of my way to buy it if I wasn't using Cubase but this is a welcome addition and I'm going to be using it.

My comment to parent was with respect to Jupiter pads. I don't need to own the synth to know that it's not going to compare. I own the first one, it's pretty unimpressive. Steinberg's synths, in general, are pretty unimpressive. The observation about CPU, Steinberg's history, and the comments in bold are all enough to confirm my suspicions. If something was even as good as Diva for Jupiter pads it would be worth the $149 upgrade price of Cubase all by itself. I wouldn't even blink.

But, as all data suggests, it's not even close.

[ckam03]

No it doesn't confirm your suspicions because I wouldn't even go out of my way to buy Diva. Diva is nice but I don't care for the vintage analog sound.

[ghettosynth]

Btw, know i'm gonna get hacked to pieces for it, but IMO Diva is overrated. Kind of hyped like Sylenth1. It's not the do all end all synth. Monark sounds more pleasing in regards of a Minimoog emu IMO. There's just too much of a hype over u-he stuff here.

It's really not Uhe, he's just done a good job with the technology. It really is just getting saturated ZDF filters right. I'm all over the new filters in Reaktor.

I think that it's very different from Sylenth, in fact, I don't even know why people like Sylenth. It's just about technology. If you aren't eating up the CPU today, you probably aren't going to please me. If you can please me and not eat up the CPU, then I want to know what you've done with technology that other people aren't able to do.

[ghettosynth]

No it doesn't confirm your suspicions because I wouldn't even go out of my way to buy Diva. Diva is nice but I don't care for the vintage analog sound.

I didn't say anything about you and Diva, I gave you three factors that confirm my suspicions, one of them was simply that it doesn't impress you (and Ingo) enough to buy it outside of Cubase.

Get over it, it's not going to be as good as Jupiter pads as Diva, and you're just annoyed that I feel confident enough to say that without owning it.

[chk071]

I think that it's very different from Sylenth, in fact, I don't even know why people like Sylenth. It's just about technology. If you aren't eating up the CPU today, you probably aren't going to please me. If you can please me and not eat up the CPU, then I want to know what you've done with technology that other people aren't able to do.

Check Spire. 1/3 of the CPU it was consuming before, and a lot of people are convinced of the sound. Maybe not your typical ZDF whatever analog modelled filter, but really, Dune 2 also uses ZDF and doesn't eat your CPU alive. I think it's a false assumption that something which sounds good has to kill your CPU. Afaik, Diva also uses a lot less CPU than on its initial release, so...

[ckam03]

No it doesn't confirm your suspicions because I wouldn't even go out of my way to buy Diva. Diva is nice but I don't care for the vintage analog sound.

I didn't say anything about you and Diva, I gave you three factors that confirm my suspicions, one of them was simply that it doesn't impress you (and Ingo) enough to buy it outside of Cubase.

Get over it, it's not going to be as good as Jupiter pads as Diva, and you're just annoyed that I feel confident enough to say that without owning it.

Haha whatever. Diva does sound better. I was saying that I wouldn't buy it outside of Cubase because I don't care for vintage analog. I wouldn't buy Diva either. Not annoyed at all. I really don't even know why I joined in.

[fluffy_little_something]

Btw, know i'm gonna get hacked to pieces for it, but IMO Diva is overrated. Kind of hyped like Sylenth1. It's not the do all end all synth. Monark sounds more pleasing in regards of a Minimoog emu IMO. There's just too much of a hype over u-he stuff here.

It's really not Uhe, he's just done a good job with the technology. It really is just getting saturated ZDF filters right. I'm all over the new filters in Reaktor.

I think that it's very different from Sylenth, in fact, I don't even know why people like Sylenth. It's just about technology. If you aren't eating up the CPU today, you probably aren't going to please me. If you can please me and not eat up the CPU, then I want to know what you've done with technology that other people aren't able to do.

It sounds very good while using little CPU, that is enough for many people Many musicians don't care about all that 0df and analog hype, they just want good sound, even if it is a bit digital. That is also why a lot of artists use workstations and arranger keyboards. They do the trick. The point of music is not to convince people the instruments used are analog, but to make people feel good about what they hear.

[chk071]

Btw, know i'm gonna get hacked to pieces for it, but IMO Diva is overrated. Kind of hyped like Sylenth1. It's not the do all end all synth. Monark sounds more pleasing in regards of a Minimoog emu IMO. There's just too much of a hype over u-he stuff here.

It's really not Uhe, he's just done a good job with the technology. It really is just getting saturated ZDF filters right. I'm all over the new filters in Reaktor.

I think that it's very different from Sylenth, in fact, I don't even know why people like Sylenth. It's just about technology. If you aren't eating up the CPU today, you probably aren't going to please me. If you can please me and not eat up the CPU, then I want to know what you've done with technology that other people aren't able to do.

It sounds very good while using little CPU, that is enough for many people Many musicians don't care about all that 0df and analog hype, they just want good sound, even if it is a bit digital.

Yeah! I don't need the last bit of detail, which is not very beneficial, but takes so much more CPU either. It's like simulating racing in race cars. You don't need to take in account the 20 (very subtle) different grip levels on a race track, an approximation is enough to give a realistic Impression. But then, each to his like. Who Needs the Sound of his analog gear 99% should better get Diva. Again, Retrologue doesn't model a specific synth anyway, that's why it probably will sound less of a Jupiter than Diva too, because Diva simply has the respective modules inside.

[ghettosynth]

I think that it's very different from Sylenth, in fact, I don't even know why people like Sylenth. It's just about technology. If you aren't eating up the CPU today, you probably aren't going to please me. If you can please me and not eat up the CPU, then I want to know what you've done with technology that other people aren't able to do.

Check Spire. 1/3 of the CPU it was consuming before, and a lot of people are convinced of the sound. Maybe not your typical ZDF whatever analog modelled filter, but really, Dune 2 also uses ZDF and doesn't eat your CPU alive. I think it's a false assumption that something which sounds good has to kill your CPU. Afaik, Diva also uses a lot less CPU than on its initial release, so...

Spire? You mean the one that Hardwell endorses? Seriously?

On Edit: Yes, indeed, it doesn't eat my CPU, that is correct, it's CPU light for sure.

[fluffy_little_something]

I think a resolution of 5° would have been enough for the osc phase control. Without a display like on Tone2's Electra I doubt anyone hears the difference between, say, 74° and 77°. With a coarser resolution it would in fact be easier to set that phase control right because the ear more easily hears the difference.
Also, when not using the mouse wheel I am already off my monitor when I reach 100° or so.

[chk071]

I think that it's very different from Sylenth, in fact, I don't even know why people like Sylenth. It's just about technology. If you aren't eating up the CPU today, you probably aren't going to please me. If you can please me and not eat up the CPU, then I want to know what you've done with technology that other people aren't able to do.

Check Spire. 1/3 of the CPU it was consuming before, and a lot of people are convinced of the sound. Maybe not your typical ZDF whatever analog modelled filter, but really, Dune 2 also uses ZDF and doesn't eat your CPU alive. I think it's a false assumption that something which sounds good has to kill your CPU. Afaik, Diva also uses a lot less CPU than on its initial release, so...

Spire? You mean the one that Hardwell endorses? Seriously?

Tbh, i don't think you really care who endorses what.

On Edit: Yes, indeed, it doesn't eat my CPU, that is correct, it's CPU light for sure.

Spire? Yeah, it is really. Since the latest update.