V-Machine

[delafuerte]

Found Him..

http://en.440tv.com/video.php/v/2541/SM ... Messe-2009

i'm a V-Brick(machine)owner and I'm not feeling happy...
"nearly 20 v-machines" in a v-rack????

Well, V-Machine is nearly "zero powered"...it's not so difficult to do something 20 times more powerful than zero!

Instead we'r still waiting for some news about V-M hardware upgrade and soft update....

[Tony Ostinato]

so weve degenerated into scolding the makers of the first truly small vsti player?

i think being first still should get some respect, and its not like the thing is useless because it wont do everything you overexpected it to, more like thats a defect in our ability to judge reality.

ill say it again, v-machine came out pretty much exactly as i expected and id say people who expected more must just have less insight into how these things work.

you can take that out on v-machine but that wont help you in the long term, a long term liekly filled with endless frustrations.

as soon as some company comes out with same size same price or less with the big power you guys are saying you thought v-machine shouldve had ill join you perhaps.

but ive a feeling thats a ways off. maybe theres a reason companies stay away from this market.

[raymb1]

I agree with Tony. I'm using the V with my EWI USB and also with a midi keyboard. I'm happy with both uses. I don't need 500 sounds, just a few that sound decent. The size of the V is a big plus. I have enough stuff to carry around! Later, Ray

[ptsound]

so weve degenerated into scolding the makers of the first truly small vsti player?

i think being first still should get some respect, and its not like the thing is useless because it wont do everything you overexpected it to, more like thats a defect in our ability to judge reality.

ill say it again, v-machine came out pretty much exactly as i expected and id say people who expected more must just have less insight into how these things work.

you can take that out on v-machine but that wont help you in the long term, a long term liekly filled with endless frustrations.

as soon as some company comes out with same size same price or less with the big power you guys are saying you thought v-machine shouldve had ill join you perhaps.

but ive a feeling thats a ways off. maybe theres a reason companies stay away from this market.

Well, If only i was as clever as Tony and had as much "insight into how these things work."
If only i could've realized that when sm pro said that v-machine was equal to a 2Ghz CPU that they didn't really mean it.. that this is how these things work?
See, my laptop has a 2Ghz cpu and so i thought my plugins(especially piano OR rhodes) should work perfectly. But that's where i "overexpected" and according to Tony i have "a defect in our ability to judge reality."

Yippee Tony.. "respect for the makers of the first truly small vsti player?"
I'll put mine in a trophy case and consider myself an investor to the development of Freeing the VSTs.

P.S.. if kissing up to SM PRO gets you a discount on the V-rack then you are truly insightful.

P.T

[delafuerte]

so weve degenerated into scolding the makers of the first truly small vsti player?

i think being first still should get some respect, and its not like the thing is useless because it wont do everything you overexpected it to, more like thats a defect in our ability to judge reality.

What are u talking about Tony?

Does it mean that if I want to play a bank with an Hammond (like B4 or VB3) and a decent piano (like truepianos) togheter and u simply can NOT do it becouse u get CPU overload, I'm overexpeting the VM power?

And the fact that I've had to bought an external HDD (130 €) to run a 80 mb piano (not 80 GB...come on, let's be seriuos!!!!) itself without any other VST, otherwise it CHOKES, and NOBODY tells u that?

Be careful, we're talking of one of the smallest piano out there, not Ivory, Akoustic Piano, The Grand or similar....

Moreover don't u think that if I see 4 (four) VST slots, I think that I could play 4 VST instruments?

In your opinion which could be the 4 instruments that could run togheter without any problem, when I've problems just to run 2 of em?

I don't pretend to run 500 sounds like raymb1 says, I just need to run 2 VST and I can't.

Is this what u expected from the V-M? That's great for you, BUT not for me...do you want to criticize me for that? Well, I dont mind...for sure I wanna warn other potential users NOT to do the same mistake!

No man, this is not overexpeting....I'd rather say that their marketing was a bit on the optimistic side regarding what you could actually do with the device.

[z_old_account]

As a programmer I can't follow the point of the vfx-developers:
There are hundrets/thousands(?) of VST plugins which do not come with a preset loader. This is nothing exotic - it's just the plain and normal case for smaller and older plugins. A huge number of plugin programmers should reprogramm and redistribute their plugins because the programmers of a single host are too lazy to include a basic load/save function?

[oliverk]

noone tried the new sofware version yet ??????????????????????????

[Vstream]

No man, this is not overexpeting....I'd rather say that their marketing was a bit on the optimistic side regarding what you could actually do with the device.

+1000

V-machine = max 1 vsti at a time! Layer vsti's? Never with this CPU.
Good for : EWU USB monophonic, Samplelord (without effects), older vsti's that don't need CPU power.

This time I will wait for the Musebox.
I will only buy a hardware vsti player if it has Brainspawn Forte functionality.
(take snapshots, load fxb's and fxp's, easy keyboard splitting)

A hardware vsti player with XP embedded optimized for audio, brainspawn Forte and a decent CPU like a Quad core Processor.

[nschmidt-dd]

Do yourself a favour, Tony, and read once again this (from SMPRO website)

"NEW: The V-Machine is a compact VST/VSTi hardware playback module built for
performance keyboard players and DJ's. It is one little beast that can't be
underestimated once loaded up with your favorite VST instrument and effect
plug-ins. Take your plug-ins on the road or into the studio and access them
live without a computer. Multiple plug-ins can be pre-loaded into bank/preset
memories for immediate access. Combine VST and VSTi plug-ins into chains,
splits, and layers to create extremely rich and unique sounds. Full external
MIDI controller support allows users access to available loaded plug-in
parameter controls such as virtual dials, switches, and faders.

Infinitely adaptable and powerful, the V-Machine is set to become a truly
indispensable tool."

SMPRO set the expectation, not the users. SMPRO's statement still sounds great to me, but reality has shown differently. From my perspective this little "beast" must not be overestimated, not at all. Neither its performance nor its software. It has not at all proven to deliver to its "own" promises!

I am curious to see if and how SMPro will take care about early users of this alpha maschine.

[VSTinus]

Combine VST and VSTi plug-ins into chains, splits, and layers to create extremely rich and unique sounds.

Forget it, won't work. A simple split with minimogue and dirtbag is too much for "this little beast." I just take my loss and move on. But people still defending this brick should have a reality check. I totally agree with nschmidt-dd, the V-machine is overhyped by SM-Pro, not by his early adapters.

[EvilDragon]

Marketing is a bitch these days. Lots of stuff are promised and not brought to reality. Let's see the "20 V-Machines" beast in action, then

Question to VFXAU: what's the GFLOPS count of V-M CPU? Then, what's the GFLOPS count of C2D 2.6 GHz? Is that 20 times the difference?

-_-'

[mäxchen]

if the vfx software/firmware is not updated the rack will have the same problems (preset management, incompatibility of some plugins with the v-machine, saving of gobal states...).
the last update was 2 month before, will we see another in 2009? when will the software/firmware leave the beta stage? and when can i realy "free.." my vst?

[oliverk]

as i stated before, the latest update is only 5 day old, i am wondering that no one here hast commented on it yet....

[delafuerte]

as i stated before, the latest update is only 5 day old, i am wondering that no one here hast commented on it yet....

Sorry, but which update?

In their website I see only the 20090130 firmware version that it's not exactly 5 days old ; if u know other links please let us know

[mäxchen]

because no one can download it
where can i download it? at the smpro website the old one from feb.2009 is provided (i downloaded and the file in the zip was from feb.2009)