Tone2 Saurus Teaser - Competition - KVR Giveaway

[Cyforce]

It's pretty understandable that Urs come into this topic and want to make some clear words, and i don't really understand why some others says, that this is a try to hijack a +90 page long topic...

Specially after such postings:

Markus from Tone2.com wrote:
we use a new and completely different approach than competing companies (like U-he) did. Our filters need low CPU, support self-osc, asymetric non-linearity (a k2 characteristic which is similar to the MS-20 filter) and have a very high precision.

To use other brands in the own product descriptions or product related public statements is something like unwritten nogo!

Or did you have ever seen a posting from, for example, FXPansion where they written "our D-CAM filters working on another way than these from Arturia and are highly accurate"?

And to reply than with something like that:

Sorry Urs that i have to say these words: Please calm down and be less paranoid.

Gives the hole a more bad taste, SPECIALLY if in the past there was a very long topic about Tone2 plugins with spyware in the dll? Which is surely more paranoid as reply in a topic of another developer which use you brandname like Marcus from Tone2 did it...

Would be there written "like other developers" it would be ok, but not like this, also if Saurus is quite similar to DIVA, based on the synth layout...

Just my 2 cents

[zvenx]

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May your charming manner win you lots of friends.

+1.........

[z_old_account]

Hmm... maybe there is also some time for questions about the new synth

Will the longer demo time of 30min available in the next version of Saurus or is the existing demo updated?

Hell Frank. Thanks for getting back to the topic of this thread.

Saurus has been reported as stable in all known hosts. So far no serious bugs or problems have been reported. That's why i expect that an update to v1.1 will not be necessary very soon.
Initially i planed to extend the demo to 30 minutes with the v1.1 release. But now i think that it might be available earlier. Maybe after the release of AkustiX v.1.1 wich will include a 64 bit mac version.

[hakey]

The great thing about my face is that it's not obscured by a large, misshapen nose.... Oh don't be so paranoid! That wasn't intended as a comment upon your nose, no matter how hideous and gargantuan it may or may not be. How could you even think that? Quite frankly, I am now offended that you would so deliberately misread my intention in order that you may blacken my character...etc

[MaxSynths]

You are dead wrong, sir, and your accusations are borderline libellous. Oh, btw, I'm not a henchman, but a free-thinker with some common sense.

I'm a free-thinker too. This doesn't mean that you are authorized to say or do everything that pop-ups into your mind. I never liked Diva for example - despite the fact that sounds really good - because his high CPU load do not fit my needs... BTW I always avoided to SPAM any thread about Diva to let the worlds know that I don't like it or to express negative comments about it. I don't like it, I don't need it, and I simply avoid to comment about it.

Once you said that you don't like Saurus for the X or Y reason you have expressed your opinion. But when the thing turns into a persecusion with people (which casually belongs to the same "clan") pointing the finger to almost everything to highlight negative aspects of a new product which is potentially dangerous for the company they are linked to... well in this case the whole thing is really suspect, isn't it??

What I'm saying is that everyone can express is opinion, but the dirty game that has been done here is squalid. It's not about express an opinion; here the aim is to talk bad about a competitor.

[zvenx]

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1) Kvr is not 'your own forum'
2) This thread is about Saurus. It's not about you or your products.
3) As mentioned before: Our marketing is not targeted against you. Unlike yourself we never compared Saurus against DIVA. So far i didn't even measure or download any one of your products.
4) Please take a deep breath, calm down and stop to try to hijack this thread.

To be fair, Urs comment was posted in the U-he section of this forum and a user quoted it here, not Urs..

and that was what I found very disingenuous about your response Urs post of moving on, you once again pretend like the original blurb you posted on this forum was not a veiled attack at Diva... I have posted the link before and maybe I need to do so again.......anyone with half a brain figured that out.....and you continue like you did nothing wrong......

I suggest that part of the reason why tone2 and kvr don't get along is that you sir are better off coding and not doing any Customer Service for Tone2....leave that to Bastiaan........to me and many others you come across as very arrogant.....and it pisses ppl off.

rsp

[LeVzi]

God I walk into town to get a paper and come back to see we still haven't reached 100 pages.

NO, do not lock this thread, there is no need, things are getting said that probably need to get said, to once and for all clear the air.

Now lets get one thing clear here, I am not against comments be them of a positive or negative nature, in fact I encourage them as the dev teams can learn from these and develop further from them. Nor am I against direct comparisons, as it is bound to happen and always will.

I am actively encouraging developers to continue to work on new and exciting products and break barriers in the plug-in world as I get as excited as the next man about a new release that offers something different to what I already have. I feel that competition drives developers to work harder and look deeper into what they know and in some instances learn from each other and plagerise without blatant stealing ideas to their own end, this actively brings a wider scope of options to us the music creators.

What I AM against is non stop comments from 1 particular stable, that repeatedly stacks claims that a is better than b, in this case Saurus and DIVA. The comparisons were always going to be made, only a fool would think otherwise, but the relentless posts repeating the same damn thing are tedious and unwanted. And tbh, I don't see such things in threads about those synths, so why this one should be any different is beyond me.

THere has to come a point where a line is drawn and time is called on the synth bashing.

Now from here on out, try to use a little common sense about what you say and whats been said, and stop going over old ground.

Urs - I don't argue the fact that you should be able to defend your own product , and as far as I can see, it's 6 of one half a dozen of the other, and the issue is dealt with. And also I do not blame you for the fact that there is a select few who are very passionate about u-he products who do tend to go OTT in other threads when anyone mentions something new. hashtag feelthelove

/rant over but for gods sake, isn't the music world big enough to allow all kinds of stuff from all kinds of people ? Of course it is.

[LeVzi]

To be fair, Urs comment was posted in the U-he section of this forum and a user quoted it here, not Urs..


rsp

Kinda proves everything I said. Whatever the quote was should have stayed there.

[xamido]

Lol, this thread is the funniest i've ever read in KVR.

[Cyforce]

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1) Kvr is not 'your own forum'
2) This thread is about Saurus. It's not about you or your products.
3) As mentioned before: Our marketing is not targeted against you. Unlike yourself we never compared Saurus against DIVA. So far i didn't even measure or download any one of your products.
4) Please take a deep breath, calm down and stop to try to hijack this thread.

To be fair, Urs comment was posted in the U-he section of this forum and a user quoted it here, not Urs..

and that was what I found very disingenuous about your response Urs post of moving on, you once again pretend like the original blurb you posted on this forum was not a veiled attack at Diva... I have posted the link before and don't think I need to do so again.......anyone with half a brain figured that out.....and you continue like you did nothing wrong......

I suggest that part of the reason why tone2 and kvr don't get along is that you sir are better off coding and not doing any Customer Service for Tone2....leave that to Bastiaan........to me and many others you come across as very arrogant.....and it pisses ppl off.

rsp

I think you nailed it!
Specially such words by Marcus like

calm down and stop to try to hijack this thread.

gives all readers a quite bad image of the writer, because all can see, Urs statements are far away from a hijack try. And after the first line

Kvr is not 'your own forum'

it looks also worse, in a public forum everyone is allowed to publish his personal mention about the topic, and if another developer get in this topic because you use his name in not such a good way/idea however, you can't force him to get out and get quiet.
Because this(like you sayed it by yourself) "is not your own forum"

[z_old_account]

To be fair, Urs comment was posted in the U-he section of this forum and a user quoted it here, not Urs..


rsp

Kinda proves everything I said. Whatever the quote was should have stayed there.

I agree with that.

With the above in mind I would also note in this specific case that it was not us who started the comparison with U-he products, it was someone who felt the need to quote Urs putting down the 0-delay filter technology, taken from another thread.

In my honest opinion it doesn't help if a developer posts inside a competitors thread to slowly fan the flames and post negative claims while steering the discussion towards his own products.

Call it courtesy among professionals but I feel that a product should stand on its own merits and users should be able to decide for themselves without a competitor telling them how they should feel.

[ariston]

What I'm saying is that everyone can express is opinion, but the dirty game that has been done here is squalid. It's not about express an opinion; here the aim is to talk bad about a competitor.

...which precisely what you have been doing for the last couple of pages. And you've yet to prove your claim of "everytime a new product by someone else is released you and your henchmen find a reason to jump into the thread and hijack it with the aim to adverstise your products..."

I've never seen Urs behave that way in this forum. Enlighten me with some examples, please.

On topic: I'm enjoying Saurus quite a bit, although I can't believe that they still haven't been able to implement a good patch manager. That would be my number one gripe. Something along the lines of Rob Papen (or, dare I say, U-he) synths would be most welcome.

[KBSoundSmith]

Can you now please keep me out if this?

Yes very easy: keep away! And think to your business!

Why not do the same. After all, this thread isn't about your products either.

And you may wish to think of your business when you've been the one calling paying customers henchman. I'm sure I'm not the only one to find that insulting.



Now, as for the actual topic, is Saurus going to have a longer demo than 30-mins at any point? I specifically remember I passed by Electrax because of the limited time to test, as well as the inability to start a preset from scratch to learn the synth. I'm sure it's fine if people are only looking for presets, but I actually want to program the synths I buy.

[LeVzi]

......

1) Kvr is not 'your own forum'
2) This thread is about Saurus. It's not about you or your products.
3) As mentioned before: Our marketing is not targeted against you. Unlike yourself we never compared Saurus against DIVA. So far i didn't even measure or download any one of your products.
4) Please take a deep breath, calm down and stop to try to hijack this thread.

To be fair, Urs comment was posted in the U-he section of this forum and a user quoted it here, not Urs..

and that was what I found very disingenuous about your response Urs post of moving on, you once again pretend like the original blurb you posted on this forum was not a veiled attack at Diva... I have posted the link before and don't think I need to do so again.......anyone with half a brain figured that out.....and you continue like you did nothing wrong......

I suggest that part of the reason why tone2 and kvr don't get along is that you sir are better off coding and not doing any Customer Service for Tone2....leave that to Bastiaan........to me and many others you come across as very arrogant.....and it pisses ppl off.

rsp

I think you nailed it!
Specially such words by Marcus like

calm down and stop to try to hijack this thread.

gives all readers a quite bad image of the writer, because all can see, Urs statements are far away from a hijack try. And after the first line

Kvr is not 'your own forum'

it looks also worse, in a public forum everyone is allowed to publish his personal mention about the topic, and if another developer get in this topic because you use his name in not such a good way/idea however, you can't force him to get out and get quiet.
Because this(like you sayed it by yourself) "is not your own forum"

I think you'll find it's not Urs that's trying to hijack the thread but the constant stream of DIVA fanboys that have. Since it's release it was relentless. I know the comparison was coming, but on such a scale ? Most just +1'ing what others were saying, sorry, I just find that pathetic.

[Cyforce]

Well yes could be a reason for the many comparisions of both, but there comes than also the question, why has DIVA so many fanboys?

My try would be, because it sounds outstandig...