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Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 2:53 pm

Thought the link worked when I prepared the post...

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 2:56 pm

Hope this list makes it easier to listen:

5150 Model
1st part is Vervil dry take over Midiwork amp.
2nd part is Matt on 5150 with Mesa cab.

http://www.soundspectral.com/Demos/5150 ... p_Matt.mp3
(Pan full left or right for mono)

Other heavy models
http://www.soundspectral.com/Demos/HighGain2R2.mp3

http://www.soundspectral.com/guess_amp.mp3

http://www.soundspectral.com/guess_amp2.mp3

Your XmasTube demos

Dushan
http://www.milking-rosewood.com/mp3/Dus ... _Demo1.mp3
with EQ and some master compression
http://www.milking-rosewood.com/mp3/Dus ... emo2EQ.mp3
With centered cab.
http://www.milking-rosewood.com/mp3/Dus ... p_LowB.mp3

dimitar
http://www.cmusicforum.com/dimitar/X-MasAMP_Dimitar.mp3

AndrewSimon
http://www.andras-shimon.com/MUSIC/DarkVintage.mp3

agentdark1
http://www.rajiv.lutchman.net/mp3/roots.mp3

Wilkoryte
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/wilkoryte/xmas.mp3

chrishurley
http://annex.ax84.com/home123005a.mp3
http://annex.ax84.com/home123005b.mp3
("less bass and more tops")

FRitzman
http://www.fritzmetal.de/biff/fritzman_ ... _Tubey.mp3
FRitzman/Rene XmasTube fool.

http://www.soundspectral.com/Demos/crun ... tzman3.mp3

cheul new !
http://killbenonline.free.fr/NarutoPreview2.mp3

Thanks guys !!!

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:02 pm

Reading more carefully the last 3 pages (but having not heard Rene's efforts - and slowly dling BURNY's clip) here are my thoughts:
1. Rene made the clips available
2. Fritz didn't like the results
3. Rene didn't like the results but he thinks that the problem lies in my original recording but being a polite guy didn't want to say more about it

I have no problem with Rene don't liking the raw DI sound of my Tokai but as he's more experienced than me with hi gain sounds I have the right to think that after playing for more than 20 years (not counting the years I played classic guitar) I am probably more experienced with clean, crunchy or in general classic rock-blues tones. Dont get me wrong either Rene but believe me the guitar I used to record the clip plays abso-f**king-lutely beautiful even with my cheap Bravo and of course even better with plexis, boogies, bassmans, super reverb etc so I think that when you say that it wouldn't sound good through those THDs its a wild and most probably plain wrong guess.

@Fritz: sorry buddy but I think that my all maple neck Tokai screams more than the average rosewood neck Fender Strat (however I dont know which exactly Strat is in the picture you posted). I could have used my '92 Levinson Strat (rosewood neck) for those clips but I think the Tokai sound is more vintage. Now for the heavy stuff I got another EMG-24fret-neck through body axe

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:17 pm

Just listened to BURNY's clips and they're not bad at all. The sound is similar to what I can get with the ampsims I have available (simulanalog, Boogex, Cortex, some freebie standalone version of AT1 etc.). Care to share the details BURNY?

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:46 pm

zeoy wrote: I have no problem with Rene don't liking the raw DI sound of my Tokai but as he's more experienced than me with hi gain sounds I have the right to think that after playing for more than 20 years (not counting the years I played classic guitar) I am probably more experienced with clean, crunchy or in general classic rock-blues tones. Dont get me wrong either Rene but believe me the guitar I used to record the clip plays abso-f**king-lutely beautiful even with my cheap Bravo and of course even better with plexis, boogies, bassmans, super reverb etc so I think that when you say that it wouldn't sound good through those THDs its a wild and most probably plain wrong guess.

A clip just for the fun of what can be done:

Pride_fritzed.mp3

So far concerning this is poorly played, poor guitar, etc.

Guess the amp!

zeoy wrote: @Fritz: sorry buddy but I think that my all maple neck Tokai screams more than the average rosewood neck Fender Strat (however I dont know which exactly Strat is in the picture you posted). I could have used my '92 Levinson Strat (rosewood neck) for those clips but I think the Tokai sound is more vintage. Now for the heavy stuff I got another EMG-24fret-neck through body axe

Na, your guitar is OK. I was merely commenting about Rene complaining about your playing and therefor the result being poor. I only posted a random Strat photo with the comment that Rene should play a guitar himself and not complain about some "clips" not being up to the expectations and therefor he has no chance to make it sound good. And THAT is rediculous to me. But we had that before.

BTW, my Xmas amp clip is up again.

Best wishes, FRitz

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:48 pm

Hey zeoy,
your clip in general is ok.

The difference is, that I listen to it 100s of times in a loop
while tweaking the engine...
Know each note and every attack you played.

The best way to record such things is to play at the same time through a amp,
(POD or VST or whatever)
but only record the dry/DI.

Than you can get a feeling for what you play,
and the results are much more dynamic.
This dynamic than again will drive the amp.

Thanks

Rene

prizo · Post by **prizo** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:15 pm

fritzman wrote: Guess the amp!

POD

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:42 pm

prizo wrote:
fritzman wrote: Guess the amp!

POD

Which amp there is your guess? You seem to know the POD ...

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:50 pm

No, we seam to know you !

prizo · Post by **prizo** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:52 pm

LOL @ Midiworks.

No idea what model.. I dont use clean ones.

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:54 pm

No you don't know me too well.

It's not the POD.

Boah , surprise ...

prizo · Post by **prizo** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:56 pm

Here are 5 small clips of some kickass HiGain tones.

Oooh
Aaah
Nice
Yeah
Booyaa

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 6:07 pm

They're pretty good, but I don't hear anything different that what we can already achieve with what we already have. I don't mean that as a slam, I just mean that I was expecting something "different" since you had convinced me that I don't know what hi-gain means anymore. Instead (and I'll repeat just to be clear), they're good, but not anything different than what I already expect from "hi-gain". So I guess I DO know what hi-gain means still, after all.

Part of the reason they sound good relates to the way the bass drum, layering, and technique factor in. It's hard to tell how decent the actual tone is without hearing the riffs in isolation without being layered. That's what I'd be more interested in hearing.

In recordings, I've always maintained, the "quality" of the tone isn't as important as the way it's approached, and I think you illustrate this point excellently-- the songs are good and heavy not only because of the guitars, but because of the other instruments and the way the guitars play against each other and against the other instruments. It's well-done, and shows that a complete song is worth more than an isolated tone.

But, in the interest of having a proper basis of comparison, I'd like to hear the tones seperately and without production techniques. "Naked", if you will.

Good on ya' for "putting up" rather than "shutting up", and I hope my post makes it clear that I'm not cutting those samples down at all. They're good!

Greg

prizo · Post by **prizo** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 6:13 pm

Lunch Money wrote:They're pretty good, but I don't hear anything different that what we can already achieve with what we already have.

And that is where your "inexperience" .. or "disinterest" ,for a better word, with hi gain sounds shows.

I have yet to hear a sim sound like that, whether in a full band mix or not.

A couple of those clips have the guitars in isolation.

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 6:30 pm

pirzo play me the HiGain2 intro with the same feel and attiude.
Dry DI and I show you.

Guitar players, The soundclick MP3 demo page got updated !