KVR Audio

respirator · Post by **respirator** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:08 pm

Robert W: Thanx for putting it eloquently.

The point is that guitar pedals can't stand up to sw or high quality hw. That's why they're fun.

I just want to get some good ideas as I'm rediscovering my old pedals...

lunarhalo · Post by **lunarhalo** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:15 pm

respirator wrote:
Sicklecell666 wrote:For the good shit, you need to get a Roland Space Echo; man, I miss mine alot..
Oh man. That's the only gear I regret selling

The Boss DD-20 has a decent space echo recreation. One or two tape heads can be engaged via the emulation.

Not the real thing but hey, needs no maintenance and can be programmed!

http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/DD-20/

Robert W · Post by **Robert W** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:19 pm

Oh, yes...French, I remember that.

I think the GT2 was/is? marketed as a stompbox that could be used "in front of the amp as well as a DI box", (hence its familiar stompbox stylings). The Sansamp "Classic" has far more intricate tweakable bits. But yes, t'sucks in this role. I shouldn't have believed the suits.

Some of the EHX stuff might be cool to try out in a different setup. The Electro Harmonix website has some good demo samples. Maybe the Tube Zupper pedal, POG or Micro-Synth stompbox would give you some fun?.

respirator · Post by **respirator** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:22 pm

Ask me which I'd rather have in my studio?

intel · Post by **intel** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:23 pm

Robert W wrote:To be honest though, guitar pedals don't really stand up to what can be achieved with the tweakability of software effects for manglation of softsynths etc.

that depends, really. they're two entirely different beasts. I have guitar pedals that do things that no plug in would ever do. they do things that plug ins, inherently, can't do. both sides have their flexibilities and its admittedly far easier to tweak out a plug in than a stompbox, but to say that a stomp box can't be tweaked out to rival a plug in is fallacious.

respirator wrote:intel: that looks Any sharing on the bending of those pedals would be appriciated. Don't think I've seen it done to guitar pedals before (just tells how much I've seen, I guess).

I'll dig up links to all my original threads about those pedals. give me a few minutes.

Robert W · Post by **Robert W** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:28 pm

Could you have the Space Echo on the desk, and the DD20 hidden on the floor?. The DD20 also does a pretty good reverse delay and about 20 secs or so of looping which can be useful.

I have guitar pedals that do things that no plug in would ever do

In generalising, I wasn't necessarily doubting this, but which are these?

respirator · Post by **respirator** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:29 pm

You could even use an old Space Echo for a case mod and then have endless delay plugins

I still miss my Space Echo.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:32 pm

respirator wrote:

Ask me which I'd rather have in my studio?

as long as you got good noise reduction I think I might agree with you...

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:40 pm

Robert W wrote:You mean guitar pedals used for purposes other than effecting guitar signals?.

I also have a Sansamp GT2 (as mentioned above) that I never use in front of my amp as it ruins the tone, and the cab sims make it sound terribly boxy.

I agree, I use mine for recording. I use no pedals live, footswitch's yes, but no pedals. My rig consists of a Marshall stereo tube pre-amp, an Alesis midiverb 4 and an Aphex Aurel Exciter...all powered by an ancient cs400. So I have channel and fx footsitches for the marshall and I could add a midiboard for the alesis...but alas all I want is a little verb, I really do not use fx much....

intel · Post by **intel** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:59 pm

Robert W wrote:In generalising, I wasn't necessarily doubting this, but which are these?

the ones I listed above.

I think the point I was trying to make is that hardware has inherent properties that lend itself to an equal amount of flexibility. I have a phaser pedal that is also the second most brutal distortion pedal I've ever heard*, and a flanger pedal that does crazy bit reduction effects, and a vibrato pedal that has some of the glitchiest gated distortion you can find. they certainly didn't come out of the box that way, but with a little work you can make them shine.

*the most brutal distortion pedal I've ever heard was a circuit bent AutoWah.

intel · Post by **intel** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:04 pm

respirator:
Boss Flanger aka "Bit Flinger"
DOD Vibro Thang aka "Monstro Thing"
Arion Phaser aka "Mutant Phaser"

dimitar · Post by **dimitar** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:11 pm

tee boy · Post by **tee boy** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:24 pm

I have a GL100 and a Sansamp GT2 which I like on drums. A Moogerfooger filter, Boss Chorus, both nice on synths. I sometimes run stuff through my amp too (the ole Blusebreaker) which can work nice, especially with a bit of volume.

tee boy · Post by **tee boy** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:27 pm

Robert W wrote: I also have a Sansamp GT2 (as mentioned above) that I never use in front of my amp as it ruins the tone, and the cab sims make it sound terribly boxy.

Mate, wtf is that all about? My GT2 sounds like shite through the amp too, infact it sounds better direct. Never understood that!

I sometimes use my PodXT before the amp, that can work nicely.

Also, I like the Big Muff before amp on guitar, and also DI on bass.

tee boy · Post by **tee boy** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:31 pm

respirator wrote:intel: that looks Any sharing on the bending of those pedals would be appriciated. Don't think I've seen it done to guitar pedals before (just tells how much I've seen, I guess).

Mate, check out Lovetone, they do some wacky pedals. And Frostwave.

Guitar pedals (in sound design)