T2 for sale - $50

[chimmy]

Of course T's not in the league of Sonar. It's in the league above Sonar.

[hello1234]

If you read the thread carefully, you'll spot that braj didn't leave Tracktion to move over to Sonar anyway

After all, that would just be plain silly.......

[headquest]

Seriously though, a lot of people who come to Tracktion - me included - do so because we want something lean and contemporary. We have already abandoned Cubase/Sonar/etc.

So from there on, its a case of continuing to move forward, rather than going back

[baterista]

do you guys recommended for recording complete songs. Some rock for my own entertainment? Anyone still selling their T2?

[christianmusicmaker]

yeah i guess for 50 its amazing but no way in the league of something like say Sonar.

I dunno... I'd rather make music than drift around locating objects and sub-aquatic landscape features via Several Pings Only.

Eh?

Anyway it looks like a closer comparison to Tracktion may be Cubase SE3, at least on price (£100).

http://www.steinberg.de/ProductPage_sb_se3_eu.html

http://www.steinberg.de/Steinberg/Compa ... e3_eu.html

[Leslie]

Seriously though, a lot of people who come to Tracktion - me included - do so because we want something lean and contemporary. We have already abandoned Cubase/Sonar/etc.

So from there on, its a case of continuing to move forward, rather than going back

... and move towards the future = Ableton Live 5... Quote from Computer Music review: "Live 5 is the most exciting and forward-thinking audio application on the market"... enough said.

[freeztar]

Bahhh...Live has its uses, as does Tracktion.
If I performed live I might read that review and nod my head in approval. (home) studio musicians might look at that review and say...

Bahhh!

[headquest]

Bahhh...Live has its uses, as does Tracktion.
If I performed live I might read that review and nod my head in approval. (home) studio musicians might look at that review and say...

Bahhh!

...or they might download the demo, try it for themselves and say, "bloody hell, this is brilliant "

[haydxn]

or they might download the demo, try it for themselves and hate it.

[Leslie]

Bahhh...Live has its uses, as does Tracktion.
If I performed live I might read that review and nod my head in approval. (home) studio musicians might look at that review and say...

Bahhh!

...or they might download the demo, try it for themselves and say, "bloody hell, this is brilliant "

...Ditto...

[djsubject]

or they might download the demo, try it for themselves and hate it.

ditto!

Subz

[headquest]

or they might download the demo, try it for themselves and hate it.

I can't understand why any Tracktion user would hate Live

I expect that most of us who are attracted to Tracktion's *way of doing things* buy into it because of all or some of the following:

* Single window for recording, editing and arranging MIDI and Audio

* Ability to mix tracks within the arrangement, adjusting levels/pan/etc at the right edge of each track rather than opening a seperate console view

* Ease of recording simply by arming a track and playing

* Ease of simply dragging and dropping an instrument or effect straight onto a track without messing about with routing

* Ability to draw automation curves directly over a MIDI or Audio track

* Simple Freeze and effective PDC.

Now here's the thing - the Arrangement View in Ableton Live is identical to this in every way . All the Tracktion functionality I just described is implemented in exactly the same manner in Ableton Live.

The main difference with Live is of course that you get the Session View in addition (and of course pay more for the privilege ) which is obviously more suited for stage use, etc. For linear Tracktion-style work however, you never need to use that Session View at all if you don't wish to, and I personally know Ableton Users who only ever work in the Arrangment view.

When people here claim to really like using Tracktion and then declare that they hate Ableton Live (which in fairness you didn't directly do in your post, but I've seen folk here who do make that claim!)... I am simply confused. I guess that possibly some people open the Live demo, are perplexed by the Session View and don't explore further. But they are hardly qualified to declare they hate it! I suspect though that some may actually say they hate Ableton Live simply for more spurious/dodgy reasons, as though they are somehow arch-rivals

Personally I think that Ableton and Tracktion are both moving in the same forward-looking direction (although perhaps not at the same pace ) The very close similarity between the two is surely the reason that so many Tracktion users here also feel right at home using Live.

[IIRs]

Does Live have any equivalent of a rack?

[haydxn]

i can see millions of ways in which live is super. i'm convinced that it is brilliant. i also believe that i should love it, because it does indeed go along with the forward thinking view of software that i back 100%. i've tried it on numerous occasions and see its power. i just hate it. i don't enjoy using it.

(btw my use of the word hate here is indeed hyperbole, and i have no real animosity or aggression towards the software i just really really don't have fun when i use it)

[headquest]

Does Live have any equivalent of a rack?

No, but then nor does Tracktion have gapless audio

... or any of the cool features of Live's Session...

...or clip envelopes...

...decent timestretch ...

and of course I could go on.

But the point I was illustrating is the similarity between the two - which in terms of the Arrangement View and ethos is strikingly similar