KVR Audio

acousmod · Post by **acousmod** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:00 pm

However... your plugs are still a bit confusing to mein terms of surround panning. Especially the 12+ plugins.

Yes !
They are not made for surround

And I have nothing to offer in the kind of things that you are searching.
For upmixing the Cyclone 226 is rather good.

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:09 pm

Edit:
nevermind this question, I just ask it in the host or effects section as seperate question again. (regarding the SRS Circle Surround Encoder)

Barbarossa · Post by **Barbarossa** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:22 pm

Do you see RS & LS levels in the CSII plug?
Use a normal stereo mix as feed for testing purposes, to be sure to have LS, RS signals.

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:28 am

well... the encoder doesn't like me. used a stereo feed and routed it to the surround bus with the encoder (normal, directly, inverted sso that there is only the surround stuff). Nothing.

The decoder only "upmixes" and "decodes ProLogic" (and SRS encoded Stereo files), however not that great while metering. Without proper working Encoder, I can forget this. A pity... this tool looked promising.

More to this topic here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=127296

debeerguy() · Post by **debeerguy()** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:09 am

mahtazz · Post by **mahtazz** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:20 am

Did you try Acid Pro?

Barbarossa · Post by **Barbarossa** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:41 pm

Compyfox wrote:well... the encoder doesn't like me. used a stereo feed and routed it to the surround bus with the encoder (normal, directly, inverted sso that there is only the surround stuff). Nothing.

That is clear, because the Encoder is for encoding the sound as CircleSurroundII material. The Encoder must be fed with the discrete surround mix and it delivers the encoded stereo mix.
To monitor it, you either need a CSII Receiver, or the Decoder.

So the monitoring setup is:
discrete-mix (i.e. 5.1) -> CSII-encoder -> CSII-decoder -> discrete audio channel out

or:
discrete-mix -> CSII-encoder -> stereo channel out -> CSII(PLII)-surround receiver

The decoder only "upmixes" and "decodes ProLogic" (and SRS encoded Stereo files), however not that great while metering.

No, it upmixes all stereo-content. It works as any CSII-receiver, that is fed with stereo-material.

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:15 pm

Barbarossa wrote:
Compyfox wrote:well... the encoder doesn't like me. used a stereo feed and routed it to the surround bus with the encoder (normal, directly, inverted sso that there is only the surround stuff). Nothing.
That is clear, because the Encoder is for encoding the sound as CircleSurroundII material. The Encoder must be fed with the discrete surround mix and it delivers the encoded stereo mix.
To monitor it, you either need a CSII Receiver, or the Decoder.

Well but what good does it do if I have a mixin the works that is in surround, properly routed to the master bus (5.1 discrete channels) and the plugin doesn't recognise the busses properly? ? He recognises LCR+LFE but not the surround busses. And SX3 is standardised in terms of output.

I even tried routing the demo files "directly" like it's written in te manual... nothing. Found LCR+LFE, but ignores the surround busses. As good as this plugin might be, if I can*t use it in Cubase, it's kinda useless to me, it won't load in Wavelab 5 either, telling me "insufficient inputs", even though the master bus has 6 channels. And I sure won't get another tools just for that.

There goes a fine tool...

Surround Metering Tool (VST or DX) available?