KVR Audio

sounddesigner · Post by **sounddesigner** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:45 pm

kmonkey wrote:
pakana wrote:Hey goldearies,

I would be eternally grateful to all of you if you could use some free verbs in these comparisons as well!

The reason is that in these topics are guys that can tweak the plugins far better than me. And although my ears tell me something, it's the fingers that I don't trust. For example Ambience has quite a many knobs that affect the sound, and maybe some of them should be left alone (use a better eq etc)...

..and maybe getting some real life comparisons could persuade us skimps to buy some proper plugins

I don't know, just an idea but could be interesting?
Look. I know ambience. I have almost same in cubase called Roomworks. Both are very good when you hear what they can deliver for free. Buth they are not good like CSR or ArtsAcoustic.

For CSR you will need dongle if you want to try it out. ArtsAcoustic can be downloaded and tested without any dongle. Do yourself a favor and try to test both. Just tweak them and read manuals. ArtsAcoustic has realy nice manual.

CSR has a type of smoothness and high end qualities that i just don't hear in other software reverbs, they sound rough compared to it to me.Csr has diversity and blends in well with many different types of mixes.And csr will put a great polish on things, and has a cleaner sound. I agree no freeware reverb will compare to most great commercial tho there are many good ones out here (i own several-ambience,sir,glaceverb etc). But IMHO most commercial reverbs can't compare to CSR-I know many may disagree for it is not uncommon for different people to have different personal favorites.But to me CSR is powerfull.

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:53 pm

kmonkey wrote:New files online

thank you kmoney for doing that "work"....

its really good to hear some demos....

All algos from CSR sound very fine on drums.

And the inverse is just a killer....

There is nothing on VST market that can do this..... ( maybe powercore nonLin )

Could you please tell me what is the maximum length for tail on the inverse algo.

Powercore NonLin has a max upt to 0,5 sec which is quite short.

Listen to this sample from a professional recording (CD). I love these FX on Vocal, Bass, ....
http://home.arcor.de/rd50info_site/sound/tt1.wma

I'm sure I can get close with CSR to that quality.....

Def. next thing I will buy.....

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:39 pm

Oh dear, oh my

Forgot to normalize last uploaded files. Fixed now

I will check tomorrow for the maximum length of tail on the inverse algo. Maybe someone will jump in until that...

Good night to all

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:30 am

Hi,

Maximum length on the Inverse Algorithm is around 700ms (buildup 0%) and 1000ms (buildup 100%).

cheers

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:29 am

Good morning and thanks Warp69

LiteOn · Post by **LiteOn** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:40 am

kmonkey wrote: ArtsAcoustic has realy nice manual.

Actually still the best I've come across so far with regard to audio s/w.

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:46 pm

I just extracted the reverb checkout drums and did some mixing with these drums in my sequencer....

and it does really fit much better than other reverbs....

I also found out that all the convolution reverbs did not manage to reproduce the upper high frequencies of a reverb impulse. I don't know why.... Thats why they just sound seperated from the mix....( it is like filtering out the higher frequencies a little bit)
The cause may also be some badly captured impulse response files....

CSR is a very fine sounding reverb for every application.

Its the first reverb that can work with every drum sound with satisfiing results....
I think I'll buy this soon...

@warp: thx for the info about the maximum inverse length....

I have to add that you are one of the first that has produced a satifiing VST revreb effect....
Absolutly nice....
I hope you are bringing us some other high quality plug-ins at this professional level....
I think it does not matter if a plug-in has a higher price, if it delivers what it claims...

Most plug-in developers claim that there plug-ins are state of the art, but mostly they art not even near to this level...
Its better to pay one time 300-400€ bucks for a good tool, than many times 100 bucks for bad tools.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:17 am

Exactly!

friteuse · Post by **friteuse** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:11 am

kilroy wrote:Just for the sake of comparisons and all, here are a couple of examples using two totally different reverbs...one quite "vintage"... in an effort to get reasonably close to the original CSR reverb on the loop sample.

Drum loop Rev1

Drum loop Rev2

Original CSR Rev Loop

Was in the midst of lashing up some reverb ambiences anyroad, so...

Finally, I'm back again and had now time to listen

Kilroy, what reverbs did you use in your examples 1 and 2? I like them much more than the original CSR sample...

kilroy · Post by **kilroy** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:32 am

friteuse wrote:
kilroy wrote:Just for the sake of comparisons and all, here are a couple of examples using two totally different reverbs...one quite "vintage"... in an effort to get reasonably close to the original CSR reverb on the loop sample.

Drum loop Rev1

Drum loop Rev2

Original CSR Rev Loop

Was in the midst of lashing up some reverb ambiences anyroad, so...
Finally, I'm back again and had now time to listen

Kilroy, what reverbs did you use in your examples 1 and 2? I like them much more than the original CSR sample...

Friteuse...the first example is the old Power Technologies DSP-FX StudioVerb. The second example is a room modeling system running on SHARC DSPs...in this case trying to emulate a "plateish" kind of sound, something it was not specifically intended to simulate. It was a curious experiment of sorts, as the surface reflection engines are more directly designed to render more realistic acoustic spaces...or at least the illusion of such.

friteuse · Post by **friteuse** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:14 am

Wow, I didnt know both of them, but they are outstanding. It seems (for me) that even CSR is far away from a excellent drum reverb.

I found the CSR, even the inverse example from kmonkey, not bad at all - but in comparsion to your two examples a little bit "flat", not sitting behind the drums and not spatially surrounding them.

Hmmm, will see, if I have time this week to make some tests with other reverbs (including AAR). Seems to get very interesting...

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:44 am

friteuse,

keep in mind that kilroy is very experienced with reverbs and their usage. It's the user, not the tool, that makes the magic happen. (although some tools make magic easier than others)

friteuse · Post by **friteuse** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:03 am

Kingston, of course you're right... Now, if anybody experienced like kilroy might do some further tests with CSR? That might convience me from the opposite

kmonkey, you won't take me wrong, eh? I don't want to say at all that you are not experienced! Thanks to you this thread started... Maybe you can tweak the CSR to get similar results to those of kilroy?

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:09 am

Why would i take you wrong? No its just fine. I am enjoying this thread

Anyway i cant do anything with CSR since my demo is out and i must wait until i order my own copy

Maybe kilroy can do something?

CSR pants up (drums this time)